Crackling through the speakers, the vinyl nostalgia of '80s hits sparks vivid memories of newspaper concert listings and the thrill of live music. Today's episode is a celebration of these timeless classics, as we thumb through a treasure trove of 45s, reliving the beats of Naked Eyes, Quiet Riot, and the Honeydrippers, and sharing the magic of those concert experiences, like John Cafferty's unforgettable opener for Foreigner. Joining me is a special guest who not only shares this passion for classic rock but also brings an intimate, personal tale of triumph over adversity, detailing his remarkable recovery journey from a stroke, and inspiring us with his return to the softball diamond.
The airwaves hum with the fervent discussions of Journey's top 20 songs as we dissect the intricacies of their discography, from the emotive solos of Neal Schon to Steve Perry's soaring vocals. With a nod to their signature ballads like "Open Arms" and "Faithfully," we navigate the subjective nature of music ranking and invite you, our dedicated listeners, to chime in with your own favorites. Amidst the debates and shared memories, our special guest Pauly Z from ZO2 adds depth to our conversation, cementing the connection between artist and fan.
Closing out this musical sojourn, we take a deep appreciation for the heartfelt strands of Journey's live performances, singling out the electric "Who's Crying Now" and the dual magic of "Feeling That Way/Anytime." As we wrap up, remember to subscribe and engage with us on platforms like Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and Spotify, or follow along on Instagram for more from the Ben Maynard Program. Share this episode with a fellow music lover, and let's keep rock's spirit alive through the stories that bind us. #tellyourstory #familymatters #spotify #classicrock #journeymusic #steveaugeri #steveperry #nealschon #jonathancain #greggrolie #rossvalory #deencastronovo #stevesmith
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Crackling through the speakers, the vinyl nostalgia of '80s hits sparks vivid memories of newspaper concert listings and the thrill of live music. Today's episode is a celebration of these timeless classics, as we thumb through a treasure trove of 45s, reliving the beats of Naked Eyes, Quiet Riot, and the Honeydrippers, and sharing the magic of those concert experiences, like John Cafferty's unforgettable opener for Foreigner. Joining me is a special guest who not only shares this passion for classic rock but also brings an intimate, personal tale of triumph over adversity, detailing his remarkable recovery journey from a stroke, and inspiring us with his return to the softball diamond.
The airwaves hum with the fervent discussions of Journey's top 20 songs as we dissect the intricacies of their discography, from the emotive solos of Neal Schon to Steve Perry's soaring vocals. With a nod to their signature ballads like "Open Arms" and "Faithfully," we navigate the subjective nature of music ranking and invite you, our dedicated listeners, to chime in with your own favorites. Amidst the debates and shared memories, our special guest Pauly Z from ZO2 adds depth to our conversation, cementing the connection between artist and fan.
Closing out this musical sojourn, we take a deep appreciation for the heartfelt strands of Journey's live performances, singling out the electric "Who's Crying Now" and the dual magic of "Feeling That Way/Anytime." As we wrap up, remember to subscribe and engage with us on platforms like Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and Spotify, or follow along on Instagram for more from the Ben Maynard Program. Share this episode with a fellow music lover, and let's keep rock's spirit alive through the stories that bind us. #tellyourstory #familymatters #spotify #classicrock #journeymusic #steveaugeri #steveperry #nealschon #jonathancain #greggrolie #rossvalory #deencastronovo #stevesmith
Thanks for listening! Follow me on Instagram: benmaynardprogram
and subscribe to my YouTube channel: THE BEN MAYNARD PROGRAM
I also welcome your comments. email: pl8blocker@aol.com
the, the. Everyone welcome to the Ben Maynard program. Thanks for being here. A little bit of housekeeping to take care of before we get started. As you see, we have a Guest in studio returning guest in studio in that great huh. So a little bit of a reminder to everyone.
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Speaker 1:Okay, in fact, they're all. I said it yesterday. I use this word it's great with the capital G, okay, just so you know, um. And it's got some really good response just for the few days that it's been up, and I promise you that I would read comments if you left them, and I want to read some comments here. I'm not going to read my replies because I did reply. I did reply to them Because I appreciate everyone out here taking the time to leave a comment and I'm going to go to the on the on the right heap episode.
Speaker 1:It's Michael Kazauski. I hope I got that right, michael, because I appreciated your comments. I hope I got that right. He says, and you're right about McBox so damn underrated. You listen to those solos on against the odds and between two worlds Is absolutely a great comment, and I think Howard has said that you're right heap where their favorite act in the eighties. Yes, they have, um, michael.
Speaker 1:Michael was very busy, which was good, which I just. I like the, I like the activity, I like the interaction. He was busy. He left another comment. Excellent, ben, actually I think this was his first comment. I might be reading them out of order. He says excellent Ben, one of the two favorite acts of time, and of course, the Bernie Shaw era Two really like wake the sleeper and chaos and colors, but my two favorites are demons and wizards and sea of light. Time of revelation should have been a big hit.
Speaker 1:As you know, heap and Saxon are touring the U? S in spring. Can't wait. And yeah, we mentioned the tour coming up. We're just, you know, I think I think Michael is from the Philadelphia area, but he's got shows coming in his area. We're waiting for some to get out here on the on the west coast. And then Rupert skin. Uh, short but sweet, right on thanks for sharing. And then this one. This one was really good and I like it because it says this I'm not particularly a fan of this band, so I may come off harsh or maybe too critical, but I don't think you can even count the post Henley.
Speaker 1:You're right here as the same band. I even heard the late, the late John Wett and refer to you're right here as Ken Hensley's band, excuse me. And while Mick box may still be a part of the band, I just don't think he was very influential within the band in the seventies for his you're right here to be considered a continuation and I think that the style and the character all seem very distant from the seventies. So, and I appreciate that opinion, I, even, in my reply to him, I, um, I thank them for that opinion because it is his opinion and, as he even said, he's not a huge fan. But the point I was trying to make clear is that they have come round. They had their, they had their time in the early eighties where they were looking for that new wave of British heavy metal sound and they, they did that on three straight records, um, but when the lineup that includes Bernie Shaw, phil Lansen and Mick Box, which has been a nucleus it, trevor Boulder and Lee Kerslake were the first to come out and then, of course, we talked about their situations in the last episode, so I won't rehash. But that nucleus of Bernie Phil and Mick um have taken the sound of you right he, right, back to its original sound A lot of Hammond, oregon, um, great vocals, great harmonies. Every guy in the band sings. So so when, when they're doing their best to harmonizing and they do an excellent job of it and they may not hit it on every single song, on every single album, but starting in nineteen, eighty nine, with Rage of Silence or, yeah, rage of Silence then, um, you know, they've really been, I think you know, doing a great job of going back to their roots. So, anyway, we'll leave it there with that. Thanks for the great episode. And Spaz just sitting here like whatever, whatever, right, no, okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1:So the the the last episode, that was my conversation with Pauly Z from Z02. Um, we covered a lot of ground and what a great guy I'm, you know, just what a great guy very generous with his time as well, if you haven't seen the show. We covered a lot of ground and even the show prep was over and sixteen minutes and it's just good stuff, and so much so that you know I made mention and we got a nice, we got a nice Giggle out of it um, that All of my show prep went for. Not because we, other than I, even sent Paulie notes on subjects I wanted to cover and he was yeah, okay, great, sounds good. We covered none of it.
Speaker 1:But I think that's what was so great about our conversation yesterday. It was just a kick in the pants. He was so much fun, and he'll be back on. He's got some stuff coming up in the spring and so we'll have him back on and we'll talk about that. So, anyway, let me ask you, since we were talking about Uriah Heap, we've known each other forever. By the way, my buddy Spaz right here, you all know that. Okay, you all know that.
Speaker 2:What do they do now?
Speaker 1:Are you familiar with Uriah Heap at all, besides the name of the band?
Speaker 2:Actually, besides you, you're the one that always promoting their music which is fine. I didn't get into it as deep as you have, right right, I didn't think so. It was okay, though. I mean it was good, but I wanted to include you in the conversation.
Speaker 1:It's okay, I don't mind listening. All right, we've got some things coming up tonight on the show and the last time you were here we talked about some stuff. We talked about it was mostly our love of music, our love of journey, and the one thing we touched on was you were a singles guy when we were kids, right, yeah, and the bedroom you had your bedroom wall Full of yeah, full of flyers. All of the if it was a picture sleeve, it was up on your wall right, tape them on the wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, a lot of tape up there.
Speaker 1:So it was funny. Catherine was, she was doing some cleaning out and I knew I had these, but in the back I just out of sight, out of mind, and she comes up with this stack of 45s. So I thought it'd be cool. Half of them are over on your side of the table and half from here. I just thought it'd be cool. We're not going to go through this whole stack. People Fear, not, okay. But I thought it'd be kind of cool for us to thumb through a few of them each and just kind of comment on them. What do you think? Why?
Speaker 2:not All right.
Speaker 1:Well, all right, you're the guest, so you go first.
Speaker 2:No, oh, naked eyes. Naked eyes, naked eyes. What song is this? Oh, oh name of love. I don't know, I have never heard this on before, but they, they were a pretty darn good group back in the 80s, right? I think they did it.
Speaker 1:Promises, promises, was that make it I promise that was there was there was their second top 40 hit. The first one was Always something there to remind. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right. Yeah, let's do so, as I only know, to the rest of those I don't know, you know what? I don't even know.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then this one here. Bang your head quiet, right? Oh, what a great song.
Speaker 2:That's such a cool song bang your head with the dance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. That's a cool song.
Speaker 2:What is this?
Speaker 1:barbers, try Sam barbers try some what's on barbers.
Speaker 2:Try Sam, all right, see, and that would be Left in the dark. I've never heard the song, but I know about our price and yeah, I probably don't even know that Either and I look I like some of Babs stuff.
Speaker 1:I really do. I'm gonna tell you right now Her guilty album from I think it was 1980 or 1981, barry Gibb and the rest of the, the BGs, wrote All of that stuff and they sang on on almost all of it as well and it's, it's really good stuff. So you know, thumbs up to Babs on that. And then my next one is Phillip Bailey, easy lover. Yeah, that's the, the, do it, the fill and fill yeah.
Speaker 1:Phil Phil Collins. For you youngsters out there who are not aware of it, phil Collins from Genesis and Phil Bailey from earth, wind and fire. Very good, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I liked it and I got the honey drippers see a little sea of love, all right. I don't remember this song, but I'm sure to sure that when we're done with this show, you'll tell.
Speaker 1:Oh, you remember how you know. Robert plant, jimmy Page oh Gosh, I'm trying to remember without looking, without looking at the sleeve. I'm trying to remember. I Shoot, I forget it. Anyway, we'll get into it later. I'll cheat and I'll look at it after the show. Billy Ocean there'll be sad songs. Yeah, good stuff. I just go through. Maybe, oops, knock, nothing like knocking the microphones all over the place, huh. But yeah, we'll go through a couple each and then we'll get on with things. This is kind of fun.
Speaker 2:Hey, lover boy, I know this song, oh, love it every minute of it. What?
Speaker 1:a great song, great album really really really is. Yeah, really really good album on that one good. And we didn't see them on that tour, we didn't. I I don't, I don't even remember them playing the area For that for that album. But you know, information was really kind of it wasn't as easy to, you know, find out stuff about your bands other than.
Speaker 1:What do we used to have to do if you didn't hear it on the radio? We had to buy the Sunday paper and look in the calendar section. Yeah, yeah, so always pop.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:All right. Next one Do they know it's Christmas Band-Aid? And For those of you who pay attention, for those of you who listen to the show, you know this one. I believe it was number four on my top ten Christmas songs. So go back and watch the Christmas show. How's that Okay?
Speaker 2:That's why I have is Michael Martin Murphy.
Speaker 1:Never heard of him, but here's a single no, yeah, is that um? What's what's the single yeah?
Speaker 2:whatever you love by morning.
Speaker 1:Oh no, that's not the one I'm thinking. I'm thinking Michael Martin Murphy though. He had a pretty big country artist, but he had a pretty big hit in the early 80s. Gosh, I can't remember, it was a crossover hit. Okay, last one for me John Capri and the Beaver Brown Band. What's the song voice of America's son? And that's from the Cobra soundtrack, that's the John. I mean, that's the Sylvester Stallone movie and we know, we know John Capri and the Beaver Brown Band because all them content. We saw him open for foreigner.
Speaker 1:They were really good on the agent provocateur tour right. Yep, they're really good. I'm gonna stick these over your hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got one more.
Speaker 1:Oh, you got one more.
Speaker 2:I got one more.
Speaker 1:Okay, snuck one out. Yeah, oh, never surrender by.
Speaker 2:Corey Hart oh, that's a good.
Speaker 1:That is a good song. I like sunglasses tonight, but I like this song yeah that is a good song, this debut album, yeah yeah, really good song, really good song. Well, that was fun.
Speaker 2:Because I know to do with it when we're talking about at least you're right. It has nothing to do with why we're here what we're here for, but at least you guys are a little fun. Yeah, that was you. Should you meant to go back to the age? Try to remember what back when, when these songs came out exactly.
Speaker 1:So, before we get into why we're here and I'm gonna do this real quick for those on YouTube I'm gonna hit this and you know why we're here. We're gonna, we're gonna get into our our Journey top 20 songs. Okay, spas put his list together. I've got my list, just like we did the studio albums and but. But I want to get into something else before we get started. You know, we didn't. We didn't cover it last time you were. You were on the show, so I thought you know why not? Look, this is a. This is a story. This is a storytelling show. This is about people's story. It's story driven.
Speaker 1:Yeah and and We've been friends. For what have we said? 45 years or so, something like that.
Speaker 2:For forever.
Speaker 1:Yes, but Was it a yes? I was, You're no. It a year and a half ago yeah, you're in a half of a little over a year and a half ago, right? Yeah you, you had a stroke. Yeah, I did you had a stroke that almost took you out almost but you're just so stubborn. That is no way.
Speaker 2:It was good it was gonna take more than that, right yeah, the old ball and chains that I had to go to the hospital. So I went and, sure enough, I this. I guess I had a stroke and didn't realize I had it. Mm-hmm but I Mean I sat in the hospital room for seven hours and I was Didn't have any idea what was really going on right.
Speaker 2:I was laying there and well, it turns out that Half my body was working in. The other half wasn't my left, my left leg in my left arm, and they were telling me that the stroke hit the right side of my temple, which caused everything on the left side, right, right working.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, right side, right side, brain left body and then same thing on the other side. Yeah, okay, all right. So what was I mean? What? What was the? What was the thing that set it off? That, that Nancy, that no, you got to go. Something's wrong and you had to go. What I was? I was walking. I'm funny, okay walking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said walking straight. I was walking towards like a left side and just walking.
Speaker 1:Okay, and she noticed it and I didn't okay, you know, sometimes when there's things wrong with us, it does it. We don't realize that it takes somebody else to recognize it for us. Thank God she did so. Yeah, so what what the doctors say as far as maybe the cause of it? Or Did they give you a cause for it? Yeah?
Speaker 2:basically they? Well, basically, it's high cholesterol, high blood pressure, all the bad things, all the stuff that you're doing into your body. Okay, um, okay, what you put into your body, yeah, makes a big difference, especially now, me being 50, 90 years old. Yep, um, putting things into your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're old.
Speaker 2:I'm older than dirt.
Speaker 1:I can say that because he's older than me by a year and about two months.
Speaker 2:He's a young man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, but I mean we, I mean we talked to what you know After it had happened. I remember um, actually don't remember, I don't remember. I know I didn't hear it from you because you're, you're like that.
Speaker 2:I think I heard it.
Speaker 1:I don't remember who I heard it from. Might have been hava, or it might have been Nancy. No, I think it was hop. And then I got in touch with Nancy right away and she told me about it. Yeah, but but we talked a short while after that, because I remember coming to the house to to see you and you were talking about really the the thing that's kind of. I mean, besides the high cholesterol and the high blood pressure or whatever all that stuff, the thing that really set it off was was a tremendous amount of stress that you were under right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just just appear.
Speaker 2:You know the, the stress I was going through wasn't even so much um, working or, or, or financials or anything like that, it was just Just, I guess, the drive that to go to work. It took me, you know, our hour and a half to get to and two.
Speaker 1:Yeah hours back right and a lot of that just took us tol, I think and being in that southern california traffic five days a week and you are in it because of your work hours. You're right, smack in the middle of it, coming and going. Yeah, and, yeah, and and uh, I know when you. You know the one thing that, um, you know we had talked about. Oh, by the way, people, I got to see him in his underwear. That was great. When I went to go see him, it was awesome. It was first time in I don't know 45 years I got to see him in his chonies. I wasn't expecting you so, um, but, but yeah, I mean that A lot of people have to deal with that southern california stress.
Speaker 1:All right, they have southern california traffic which creates that stress. Sorry, let me correct myself there, but, um, it took a. When I went to see you, you had to use a walker. Yeah, yeah, you had to use a walker at that point and then you kind of had you were going through your rehab and your physical therapy to get you back, and I think one of one of and probably not the first, but one of the, the, the, the signs that you were on your way back, and I'm going to start it and I'm going to let you finish it. Oh yeah, I'm sitting, I'm sitting on the couch watching television with Tess and Catherine and I get a text. I get a text from you and it says hey, I'm at the Honda Center and I'm here to see Casey in the sunshine band and B 52s. You want to come? I got an extra ticket.
Speaker 2:I waited till I got there to tell you yeah, I mean I'm shocked that you even came. I go Wow, he came all the way out here. I mean that's awesome, that was a great, great time.
Speaker 1:That was a good night. I was an. Elvira was a really good night. That was a good night, but that was for me and I was like Are you kidding me? Because this was, this was about four months, close to five months after it was in November.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, it was.
Speaker 1:July and November. So so it was like, okay, no, hey, spaz is at a show, he wants me to go, he's got a ticket for me, I'm going because he's now out. He's out on his own and starting to do his thing. So I thought, yeah, I gotta do this and go and me. Come on, that's what we used to do, that's what we've done for years is go to shows together. So, yeah, I mean from the time we were kids, yeah, and so I thought, no, no, no, this is it, catherine and test right now. You got to go, you got to go. So that was it. Yeah, I said, all right, give me 45 minutes, I'll be there. And that was a great time, I knew you got there in 30.
Speaker 2:He was driving 75 miles an hour all the way from but Cheena.
Speaker 1:Hill. So yeah, but that was a good time. And Casey, casey and the Sunshine Band, they, you know, above above anything, really they impressed me the most. Yeah, they're really good because I think I think we counted and I mean I think there were 13 people on the stage, counting, I think, two dancers or three dancers or something like that, so maybe about 10, 10, probably would be nine musicians, because Casey wasn't well, no, he played the keyboards, but we're not going to count that but yeah, he had nine to 10 musicians on that stage. So everything was real and it was live. There's no, no, no playing to tracks or anything like that. It was good stuff.
Speaker 2:It was a very young band to young kids out there playing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there were some young people in that band and Casey was, I think at that time he was what 6970 years old or something.
Speaker 2:He still is. There's only been a couple of years, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I think he's doing something this year too. He's on tour, yeah, but that was, that was a good time, so so all right, so let's finish this up here, all right. And you know, that was just. It was a great sign to see you making progress to that point. We took a picture, we put I think I don't I don't know if we put it on Facebook or not, but we took a picture of that night and that was just a good time. But but then it was about two more months, yeah, and you got, and you and you got yourself to a point where you could go back to work and you could drive by yourself and you could make, you know, make that drive on your own and be comfortable doing it Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, now driving is so far and more. I got a second. I got a new job.
Speaker 1:Nope, yeah, but by a new job a new job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Back in the old days. Moving to back to your ability to have me drive all the way to Valencia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, big big difference. Yeah, you cut your drive time down in five.
Speaker 2:You know it's almost nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost, but but you had to do that for, not for your help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you really, you really had to? Yeah, I didn't want to quit the job because I really liked the job in Valencia, yeah. But a lot of good people out there. But I just could not continue that drive. You know for my health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's just no way.
Speaker 2:I had no choice, I mean, but to resign if I ended up in the position?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the next time you would, you know you probably would would be dead. Maybe you know so. And then this is this is the best part here, folks. Well, okay, getting back to work, that's actually really cool. But let's get to the. Let's get to the happy, the happy thing about this. So that's, that's about a year ago, when you got back to work again and and everything's going really well I mean well actually more six or seven months.
Speaker 2:I started working in January last year. Yeah, so it's been a full year, right. Right so now, because for a year I started working in January, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's just yeah, you may.
Speaker 2:It's just been a full year.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So now, because for years and years, you, you, played softball. Yeah, you know, 20 years you're playing softball in the same league, same team, everything else, and of course, that came to a halt. But wasn't it about five or six weeks ago? You, you felt like it was time to get back out on the field.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was time. Actually, it was four, like four or five months, and I was sitting that long.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, you've been hiding things from me.
Speaker 2:No, I played. I played 12 games, so two seasons. I mean once. He's hiding, he's hiding from me. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not hiding anything, I'm not keeping it from me, jeez.
Speaker 1:Louise. So here's the cool part. I saw your post on Facebook this morning because you obviously had a game last night. Yeah, had a game last night and you said you had to give this big old dissertation about you know the long road back. So on and so on, and after all this time you finally hit a foul ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just.
Speaker 2:I'm averaging strikeouts to a game and walk you once, and you know, I finally got to see a foul ball. It was just an amazing thing and everybody was just like elated to actually hit the damn ball. Yeah, Well, that's awesome it was interesting. I mean just, it was just something that you know. All the people out there realize that, because if a stroke doesn't mean you're dead, you gotta go out there and work on it.
Speaker 2:Work on yourself and get yourself back into shape. And I'm out there again, but I'm sitting here talking to you.
Speaker 1:Right, but the thing is is that you know you're working your way back and it just goes to show what hard work does and how it pays off, and that you know not to give up on anything and that look, a foul ball doesn't count for anything, but it's one step closer to putting that ball in play too, and it's taken a long time. What's been the hardest part about about coming back to softball, besides hitting a ball in fair play?
Speaker 2:Being able to see the ball and timing, it's everything. The ball's you know. 16 feet in the air and you're trying to hit it. And you know, for some people it's very simple. For me it was, you know, having been able to having problems seen and then swing you know, at the last second and not being able to catch with the ball actually.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're having a problem with depth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little bit Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:You had to. You had to relearn to walk, Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to relearn. So. So, yeah, they go from there to to now. You know you're able to get back out on the field, yeah, you're able to be active again. It'll. You know, it may or may not ever be to the level that you were before your stroke, but it's going to be at a level that you're going to fight like crazy to get to and maintain it.
Speaker 1:And I just think it's great, I think it's inspirational for people to to to hear this and realize look, you know, a stroke doesn't mean you're, it's over for everybody. Okay, you can fight your way back from this. Obviously, there are situations where it takes you down for good, or you know it takes you out. But in this situation where, like I said, you had to come on professional broadcaster, keep the microphone on the table, but you know to take you from a point where you had to learn how to walk again, and now you're back out on the softball field, you know you can get out there and enjoy it again too. How's are you able to get out and play, catch and throw the ball?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, okay, so that's. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1:Well, I play catcher, so it's easier to throw the ball back to the pitcher Okay, yeah, but I mean to get out there and just throw the ball around. You're okay with that? Yeah, okay, absolutely All right, but and and swinging the bat itself is is okay too. Oh, just the timing.
Speaker 2:Okay, so timing, yeah, I'm swinging, and missing, but I'm, you know, I'm getting closer every time, Okay, and hopefully at some point I could help my team win games. So give them about, you know. Give them, you know, free out. Mr Strechelking three outs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Every time you want to yeah.
Speaker 1:And then how is? Because you did mention that you you're getting your sheriff walks in, are you? Are you running the bases yourself, or are they?
Speaker 2:Oh no, if once again I base, I let the Leon kids handle it Okay, okay. So you just have a yeah, cause I'm not ready to, to, to, to run, yet Cause I still have a problem with my legs. Okay.
Speaker 1:Are you? Are you in a good spot now to where you can get your heart rate up? I'm hoping, I'm working towards it. I mean, have the doctors said, hey, you can go out and you can, really, you know, you can go out and exercise and all that kind of thing, you can get your heart rate. That's what they're telling me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, okay, that's all up to me, but the problem that I have is the medication that. I take, makes me very, very tired. Now, I'm tired when I wake up. I'm tired when I'm going to sleep. Yeah, and I don't get enough sleep. As it is, I get four or five hours a day. It's my body telling me to get up, and so once I'm up, that's it.
Speaker 1:And it's just primarily because your medication yeah. And and the thing is, is you've got to take those meds?
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:Definitely you may have to take those meds for the rest of your life yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless I do something about it. Yeah, I'm working towards that, okay, well, I just I just think it's cool and this wasn't even part of the show. But you know what, when, when, when Spaz came into the studio, when he came into the house, we were, we were eating a little bit. Catherine fed us, and so we just started talking and I said, hey, you know, let's just talk about this, cause it's interesting for people, it can be inspirational for people, and I hope it. I hope it is yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's a lesson learned. You know the stress and the life is. It's not even. It's not even worth it.
Speaker 2:And then you know, having to deal with your, with your diets and, you know, making sure you stay in shape. I mean, right now I'm 15 years old and I can't afford not to look at my health. I'm looking at my habits you know my bad habits and clear them and make them good habits. And I don't drink anymore, which is another good thing. It's been a year and a half, so I picked up all kind of. I don't plan on doing it ever again.
Speaker 1:Right, it doesn't work with my. It's not going to help, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have to. I had to give it up which I really like beer.
Speaker 1:I really like beer.
Speaker 2:I know I had to give it up, I know, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's just. I think it's just so cool and you know that you're back out on the softball field. You know spaz is back. I can I can say that there's a very, very small circle of people who get to, who get to call him that.
Speaker 2:Okay yeah, very small.
Speaker 1:And. I'm one of the privileged, but so, uh, yeah, I just think it's really cool and I look forward to when you get that first hit.
Speaker 2:Me too.
Speaker 1:But look, hey, we can go out there and play some cat. Well, it's nighttime now, but we can throw the ball around and I can. I can throw some underhand toss to you, you know, and work on that a little bit. So yeah, we'll get it down Well that's great, it's great. It's great to hear that.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, thanks for bringing that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:All right, people. So, listen, this is why we're here tonight. We are here, uh, because we each have a list of our top 20 journey songs. Okay, it, um, I'm going to say this look, this list is not going to be the top 20. Well, at least my list the, the, the, the criteria was at the top 20 journey greatest hits. Okay, the top 20, it's your top 20 songs that you like, your favorites. Um, and I know, when I put my list together, I thought, all right, how do I want to approach this? If somebody asked me about journey, I'm going, okay, and they wanted a list of journey songs, I wanted to give them a great representation. But, by the same token, I looked at, I'm looking at my list. I'm going these are like my favorite songs. If I'm going to make a playlist of just my favorite songs, this is it. Yeah, and uh, yeah, it wasn't fun. Doing this was what wasn't for me, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to say this I hate my list because there's so many songs I had to leave out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Absolutely, we were hated. We were talking about this earlier in the week. Uh, I called, I called spaz and and, uh, I said, okay, so you get your top 20 done. And he says, yeah, it's done. But you know, I said I said that's okay Cause I haven't even gotten my songs together yet to even pick 20. So, um, I know, for me this was absolutely a brutal task. Um, I had, yeah, I had to stop. I had to stop at 47 songs.
Speaker 2:Okay, there was actually a lot more. Yeah, but I had to stop at 46.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, I keep writing these songs down, but hold on a second, yeah, so yeah, it wasn't fun putting it together. In fact, look, you know, being very transparent, I was still working on my list when you showed up to the house, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:I got a chance to finish my burrito before you came down.
Speaker 1:Yes, you did so anyway, so okay, so that's the criteria your top 20 favorites.
Speaker 2:Well, actually, our favorites Well yeah of course, when you do your comments for the show, let's see your favorites, let's see how easy it was for you to do it.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:I like to see that, because this was not easy.
Speaker 1:Well you know, on the last talking about that and encouraging the listeners or and viewers to put together their list. We did have one viewer on YouTube. He gave his list yeah. Yeah, and that was great. It was great that he included that stuff. I mean it was good it took your opinion.
Speaker 1:I mean. But so what the rules were was, like I said, 20, but we know that there are okay. Let me stop here. First, Live tracks are included, so it doesn't have to just be a studio track. If you like a song but you like the live version better, or whatever, boom, put it on your list. Then also, there's a couple of tunes Feeling that way, and anytime when they used to be, when those two songs were played on the radio, they were played back to back. So we can include that as one song, okay, on this list. And then also Love and Touch and Squeezin and City of Angels off of Evolution. Those two songs were always played back to back for years on the radio, so that can be included as one track as well. So I think I think I got it covered.
Speaker 2:Do I? Yeah, pretty much Okay, I think so.
Speaker 1:All right, well, listen, as always, look, the guest goes first. Okay, Cheater. Cheater, cheater, okay let me get my list. What are you? 10? Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm 10 today. All right, Okay, my first. My 20th song was Little Girl, oh oh, oh. You had a really good song, really nice melody, but I just couldn't. I couldn't exclude it from the list.
Speaker 1:You know something, love that song it is. So it's a great song. Neal's guitar work that might be, honestly, that might be some of Neal's. My favorite Neal guitar work might be on that song. Yeah, I hear you on that one. So that's off of what Dream after dream. Yeah, there you go, I know, I just want you to tell them.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, if I want to know we were adding that to the list. I would have added my list of them. I did that with the albums. We covered all that, but yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Little Girl's number 20 for you, right? Yep? Okay, my number 20, I cheated. Okay, I'm sorry, I cheated.
Speaker 2:See, I told you I cheated.
Speaker 1:I've got cheater. I hit down off of escape and hopelessly in love parties over off of captured. Sorry, I cheated. Look, it's my show, okay, so.
Speaker 2:I can cheat.
Speaker 1:Listen, listen. I told you this was painstakingly brutal. It truly was. I'm looking at, I hate my list, I hate it. Well, I just told you I hate it. Yeah, I absolutely hate it. But anyway, so that's my 20. Lay it down, yeah, my 20th spot. Lay it down off of escape and hopelessly in love.
Speaker 2:So you had two songs for number 20, basically, yeah, of course, cheater, I did.
Speaker 1:But and I can here, I'm already mad at myself because those songs are at number 20.
Speaker 2:So anyway, I don't know how they're at 20. Well, I got more songs than that, but I'm not going to listen right now, all right. Well, number 19 is Lights. Now, that was hard to put down at number 19 because there's so many good songs, but, like, lights is a great song. Unfortunately it got to 19.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, no Lights is a great song and so you took the studio version off that one, right? Yes, I did Okay Off of infinity, okay, and for me, number 19 is the Time off of Red 13. I love that song, that whole entire EP. We talked about it the last time, yeah, and it was in my top five, or I know it was in my top 10.
Speaker 2:It was a tough five, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't recall exactly, but it was up there and that is just such a great song, gosh, it's so great. Just some mean nasty rock and guitar from Neil. It's a heavy song, steve a Jerry just sings his, he just sings his ass off on that, on that EP.
Speaker 2:So yeah, the Time there you go, oh okay, well, my number 18th song is Line of Fire from the departure album. That was such a great song yeah, such a loud song, and most of my lists is going to pretty much indicate that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a great song. It is. It is a great song and yeah, it's just brutal. I hate this. I hate this already.
Speaker 2:I want to stop the show.
Speaker 1:Okay, so number 18 for me is Rubicon Offa Frontiers. Oh, that's a good song. Yeah, you know, I think. Well, I haven't seen Spaz's list. I told him don't show me, I don't want to see your notes, I don't want to see anything. So of course I'm not sharing mine, but I think I'm going to piss a lot of people off.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:I just do. I just think I'm going to piss a lot of journey people. I'm going to piss them off because you know I didn't make anyone mad with the studio albums. No, because Ranking.
Speaker 2:Judging by your comments? Well, you did not. No, judging by like the whole four comments we got.
Speaker 1:And one of them was mine, yeah, and one of them was your daughter.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, one of them was Tony. So. But just because they don't comment doesn't mean I won't make them mad. But I have a feeling I'm going to make some people mad.
Speaker 2:Well, I would hope to be calm and be pissed off and tell us that our lists Well, that would be great, we know they do.
Speaker 1:That would be great. We just told you they suck, like we said like look, you told everybody hey put your list down here.
Speaker 2:I told you that. Yeah, let me see you do it. It wasn't easy for me, it wasn't easy for our votes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so. So yeah, rubicon off of Frontiers, which you know, that was my number one album and I said I like every song off of that. And when I put this list together I really I could have probably taken, you know, two albums in the catalog and just boom and give you my 20 if I wanted to.
Speaker 2:That song didn't make me. I'll just tell you right now, I didn't make my list. I liked the song. You mean. Even the songs that I have listed here didn't make the list, trust me.
Speaker 1:That's another damn song I missed. I know ours are going to be very, very different, I just know. Okay, anyways number 17,.
Speaker 2:it's separate ways, of course. Okay, one off your album off Frontiers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really good, yeah, and you know they've used it for so many years as a show opener to open the set. Oh, that's right, and it is, it's, it is, I mean, it's a great song. Yeah, Great, great, great song, so 17.
Speaker 2:That was number 17, sir 17.
Speaker 1:So you can get separate ways, all right, and where am I? Oh yeah, number 17 for me is Live and Breathe, off of Arrival.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's another good song.
Speaker 1:I love that song and look, it's a. It's a great song. Steve sings wonderfully on the entire album.
Speaker 2:That's Steve Ageri right, steve Ageri, steve Ageri, I know we got two Steve's to talk about. Yeah, two Steve's, yeah, talk about.
Speaker 1:Steve Ageri sings his butt off on that record and it's a great song and I love, I love. There's a, it's kind of a pre-chorus, it's a, it's a tip of the hat to a journey song. And there in the sky spins a wheel, giving me the feeling that my dream came true today.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I sang. I apologize for that. You guys, you guys can say something about that. Leave a comment saying boy, I'm a professional, don't ever do that again.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's just a, it's a fabulous song and Neil has some just great guitar, especially at the back end of the song. So good stuff, good stuff. And and what I love about journey, it's just they're. They've always been a great harmonizing band, no matter who has been in the lineup.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, let me. Well, for me, journey is like a good for a good. For me it's, it's moody, it's all kind of a mood on me and I want to hear something rocking, I want to hear something ballad. I mean, yeah, I mean that's the way, that's why I like the group so much, cause they have different songs for different moves for me Most definitely. I mean, it was just that's why I like the band so much. Yeah, there was so many songs that you know put you in a good mood and some are you know, somber, but they were good songs.
Speaker 1:Some songs you want to listen to after girl breaks your heart Be girl, girl can't help it. It'll keep your heart broken and it'll keep squishing it and everything else, yeah, but that's. But look, when you're talking about a band that has catalog of journey it it's hard to just whittle it down to 20 songs.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I can't. I dare any of you guys to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay. So so that was that was 17 for us, right? No, that was 16. Well, we're at 16. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2:So it's only the young and I like this song because, well, the movie, you know right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, vision quest, vision quest yeah.
Speaker 2:Great movie. Yeah, the song that begins at the beginning, while he's running. It's a pretty good song for that. That that is.
Speaker 1:And I know you know, but I'll share with the listeners in case they don't know. Only the young and ask the lonely were originally on the Frontiers album. They were recorded during that session and they were on side two of Frontiers. But at the last minute I don't remember if it was managed, it might have been Herbie they pulled those two songs to put on movie soundtracks. Ask the lonely went on to a movie soundtrack later on, in 83. That was two of a kind with Olivia Newton John and John Travolta, and and then, of course then in 84, only the young went on to Vision Quest and the two songs that replaced those two were Trouble Child and Backtalk Two good songs, so you pulled two.
Speaker 1:I did I did. Two great songs and replace them with two great songs. So it wasn't like they were. You know they were placing with filler, because those are just those are tremendous songs and so only the young is number 16 for you. Yes, okay, I'll put these things back on. Number 16 for me Homemade love off of departure oh my, oh, I love that song. Oh, it's so great, and Steve Perry's vocals and that are so awesome and I love the line in the clean again.
Speaker 1:Homemade love. Hot jelly roll love. Are you kidding me? Come on, that is so cool, but it's just. It's just such a. It's got a great groove to it. Steve is singing his ass off and I'm probably going to use that term a lot this episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he already has.
Speaker 1:Sorry, but he does. He just does a tremendous job on that song. Really just gets up there in the stratosphere. But yeah, so homemade love off of departure. That's number 16 for me, okay.
Speaker 2:And number 16 was where were you? Now, that's a good song. That's a rocking song, that that you know. When I listen to that, it goes crazy, I go nuts. It's a great song, yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you stick with the studio version on that? Yes, I did. Okay, all right, thank you. We're at 15, right, okay, so we still don't have a song. No, we've got, we've not. Wait, let me see. No, you didn't have that one, that one, no, no.
Speaker 2:We have not been the same.
Speaker 1:We were in total disagreement on the albums or total disagreement on our song so far.
Speaker 2:Instead of wasn't it the elliptical? Okay?
Speaker 1:So number 15 from me Frontiers, the title track from Frontiers, yeah, number 15 from me. It is just such a cool song. It is, it really is a cool song. I like the there's the multi-layered vocals towards the end of the song. You know, between between Steve Perry and the band they're all kind of going back and forth and it's it's trading off, it's it's hard to describe but it's so. It's so cool and you know the song. So just really really good stuff. And what a great, what a great title track, what a great song. And I was surprised when, when Journey did release Frontiers, that all the songs they released were off of side one. You know, chain reaction wasn't a top 40 single but they released it to rock radio, so it was a rock radio single but not not in the top 40. But yeah, but I was just so surprised that that not one song off of side two was really, yes, and we're talking side one and side two. Youngsters, that's because we have we have albums and we bought albums.
Speaker 1:We bought these things on album you know, 12 inch vinyl way back when, of course, we've, we've, we've evolved to CDs now. But yeah, so I was just shocked at that. But a great song. I love Frontiers.
Speaker 2:It's such a good song, it was good album, all right, so you were at number 14. Yeah, number 14 is Faithfully.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Then Lee, right off the, the one of my first ballads. I liked it, the song was really awesome. I saw it. I mean I I danced with my daughter at her wedding with that song, so it was just a cool, just a cool song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I'm going to tell her that you put it at 14 because it wasn't important enough for you to think about the dancing.
Speaker 2:Oh, give me the violin.
Speaker 1:And then now you're going to get the business from her. So yeah, oh well.
Speaker 2:I guess we'll have to get over that, all right.
Speaker 1:Um, so I think this is where this is, where we both end up with the same song, but certainly in different spots on our list. Oh okay, when were you? Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:From departure. That was close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, where were you from departure? I got two spots higher than you, but yeah, that is just look. I'm not a musician, so it's hard for me to sometimes describe this stuff to you folks.
Speaker 2:It's not.
Speaker 1:Um, we're just music lovers. Okay, we are, we know what we like, we, we know different sounds and that kind of thing, and but sometimes it's hard to describe. But there's a, there's a part in the song. It comes right after the first verse. You know, they get through the, the, the or not the first verse, but the first chorus. They get through the verse and they get through the first chorus and then it comes right back and and you hear, you hear Greg Raleigh on the, on the on the piano, just run his fingers down from from the right side of the of the keyboard all the way back down to the left side, and then boom, and Steve comes right back in. And where were you when? Uh, oh gosh.
Speaker 1:I can't, I can't even think I lost my train of thought for a second.
Speaker 2:You weren't supposed to sing again, but I wasn't really.
Speaker 1:But, but behind that the, the groove, the, the, the way he sings it, and then the groove from from I guess it was me, probably from Neil. It's a subtle change, but it's different than the first verse, Right? And it's just so cool when, when the show's over, we're going to play it and I'm going to point it out to you, Okay.
Speaker 2:I think I know where it is.
Speaker 1:We heard the song a thousand times. You know, I, I've told you people, you know, one of these days we were, we were, we were going to play music on this show, maybe, who knows? Uh, but it's not today, that's for sure. Uh, okay, so that was. Uh, that was what number 14 for me. So we're, we're 13,. Right?
Speaker 2:Okay, so number 13 for me was um. Can I read? Uh, just the same way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know the song.
Speaker 1:That's really a great song and you took the studio version of that one, I took the studio version. Yeah, I, I, I dig that version. Uh, um, uncaptured, I dig that version oh the live version. Yeah, the live version, and and that is a good version the way that, uh, the way that Greg Raleigh comes after it.
Speaker 2:I like to change my mind. I like. I like both versions. I like on the studio and I like your life, so it's not the same thing as you picking two songs or one song.
Speaker 1:You're right. You're right, um, cheater, but that is that's. That's a good song. Yeah, that is, that's a great song.
Speaker 2:All these vocals are really good, that song.
Speaker 1:When I wish, I wish. After Greg Raleigh's departure from the band and then they brought in Jonathan Kane, I wish we could have heard more lead vocals from Jonathan Kane and we could have still had some of those songs where where Jonathan Kane and Steve Perry could trade off in the same song like him and Greg would do. Yeah, that would be cool. That would be a cool element to those three albums Infinity, evolution and Departure. It was just so cool. It would have been neat to to hear that um with Jonathan Kane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1:But um all right, so 13, right, yeah, Okay, gosh, I always lose track, sorry. Here's our second song that we agree on. Mine's a little higher than yours. Separate ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah separate ways. Great song again and I'm very comfortable. There was a couple of songs on my list and I'm very comfortable where I slotted them, even though I hate my list and I was comfortable at 13 with this, okay, um, yeah, I was. I was very, very comfortable with it at that spot especially. Look, I better have something from Frontiers on there besides Frontiers and Rubicon, since it's my number one album, right?
Speaker 2:Uh, I couldn't look at the list that way. What's the best sound? Because now I have more songs on that album than the rest of the other songs. I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1:It wouldn't be a fair, fair list, but then again.
Speaker 2:I still hate the list, so it doesn't matter. It does not make any difference.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So my uh number 12 was uh, be good to yourself, okay, oh, I love the ending of that song.
Speaker 1:That's a shredding guitar solo? Yeah, it is, and especially ending yeah, and off of an album that I think, if memory serves, I think there's really well, okay, there's about three guitar solos on on that on that album. Uh, you've got, uh, certainly be good to yourself, which is a great song, uh, solo at the end of the song, uh, for I don't know the last minute or so, and then, uh, the title track raised on radio. That's, that's got some real smoking guitar on that and um, uh, oh, um, I'll be all right without you. It's a real low key kind of bluesy, uh mellow guitar solo, but it's got a good, good group. But but, yeah, you know you're picking a, you're picking a song off of an album where there are no guitar solos and you're picking that one because of the great guitar solo, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Number 12, thank you. All right, number 12, feeling that way anytime Now. So now you can do that, that's okay. Off of infinity. I, I, I like that one and actually I um cause I I love the live versions um uncaptured. I really, really do. There's some great stuff, but I like the studio versions on these two songs.
Speaker 2:So you can like them both Better.
Speaker 1:I like it better than um than uh, than the captured album. So great stuff though. Yeah, and a love, come on, you have to hear those songs back to back. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, and shame on any radio station, uh, be it terrestrial radio or satellite radio, that doesn't play those back to back they do Come on the satellite radios do.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know that for a fact. I listened to it. So anyways, um number 11, girl can't help it. I like the melody of that song.
Speaker 1:Kill killer, killer song yeah, Killer killer killer, killer, killer song Uh, number 11. Okay, all right. All right, I'll get to it. Okay, uh, so yeah, my number 11 walks like a lady. The live version, oh that is a great version.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a great live version and we talked about it. We talked about it the last time you were here about um really hearing um Ross Valerie on background vocals on that one. Yeah, uh, but it's, it's a great version. It's a shame that the the version on departure was, you know, three minutes two and a half three minutes long. It's very, very short. Um, there's no real great guitar work in it. I mean, obviously there is great, but it's not there. There's, there's nothing in it because it's so short. There's very little of it, I should say Um. So that's why I go with the live version, because they just really knocked it out of the park. On that. You get to hear all that Hammond organ stuff and the just the bluesy guitar work of Neil Sean and um, hey, look like Steve Perry says you know we got two of the best blues players in the whole world oh, no, in the whole world here tonight. Two of the best is what he says. So, uh, stratocaster fleet yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Mb3 and Stratocaster fleet. Um, but yeah, it's just, it's, it's a good song. It's just dynamite. Okay, all right, so we're up to a number 10, now On top 10.
Speaker 2:We, we're breaking the top 10 here. Let's do it Ow. So my number 10 is the party's over and, of course, it's off to capture them as a studio. Yeah, it's a really good song, but it's a really good song.
Speaker 1:It is such a catchy song. It is, it's real catchy and I excuse me, hiya Hi, everybody remember we talked about the last time you were here. I had mentioned Rubicon and I mentioned what was the song we Will Meet Again, off of Arrival, and how those songs just like the way they end. They sound like they could just keep going on and, on, and on, and on and for me the parties over is like that too for me.
Speaker 1:It just I know something about it. I could just hear it go on and on and on and I just dig that song and it never. It wasn't a big radio hit. I think it got to about 38, 37, 38 on the top 40. And that's a shame, because that is just a killer song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, that's my 10. But your 10. All right, number 10 for me. Girl Can't Help, it Raised Down Radio man we're pretty close.
Speaker 2:A couple of songs behind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we're starting to get into having the same songs on our list, just in different slots. But you know, I started to mention it and then decided I would shut up, since I was going to call out the song on my own list. Anyway, I love the harmonies on that song. I love it, I love it, I love it, especially just the last line of that song. You know, nothing stands between love and you, and just the way they harmonize, that is just. It's so killer. And they pull it off. Live too. That's the thing. Look, these guys are no joke. I'm letting you know that people, these guys are no joke, they're just, you know, great, great singers, great musicians, great singers.
Speaker 2:Okay, my number nine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, number nine.
Speaker 2:One you Love a Woman. Oh okay, all right, good, good, good. Comeback for Steve Perry for that song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it was we talked about it too the only real song that they released off of the album that did anything. It almost got him a Grammy. It got him a Grammy nomination for that song and with the way the music climate was back in the 80s, which was very balanced as far as the different genres, you know, getting nominations, getting awards and that kind of thing it's shocking that Journey's first nomination ever didn't come till 1996, you know, and they didn't get it either.
Speaker 1:They didn't win it but it didn't come till 1996 and the whole entire music climate had changed. We had already gone through the grunge era. We were already on the backside of that, you know, and actually coming out of the tunnel from that.
Speaker 1:And it just really weird, especially with all the greatness of the Journey catalog prior to that and as many hit songs as they had at that point. No Grammy nominations, no Grammy awards. Yeah, Okay. So my number nine who's crying now off of Escape. Yep, who's crying now? I just you talked about the guitar solo in Be Good to Yourself. That's why that one had to be on your list. It's the guitar solo on who's Crying Now at the end of that song.
Speaker 1:It's just it's just so good. And again, not a musician, but when you listen to it it sounds as though it's real not simple to play, not saying that, but it sounds like it's real simple. So what does that tell you? As a music lover, that tells you something. That sounds that simple because it's just, he's just hitting like one note at a time is that Neil Sean is a world class musician and takes these single notes and bends them a certain way to do what he wants it to do and make it sound like he wants it to do it. And it's just, it's just so, so killer, yeah, so it's a very tasty, that's what, that very tasty solo. So all right, so that's that's my number nine.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, now my number eight is Open Arms. Okay, that's just. You know a song that I enjoyed listening to over the years. Okay, I guess I still enjoy it today. You cry every time it comes on. Oh no, I don't cry. I don't cry for no one. Sorry, I don't cry for nobody, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and see how many songs off of to this point. How many songs are off of your favorite album To this point? From from 20 to number eight. None, that was your first. That wasn't your first escape song, was it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, seriously yeah.
Speaker 1:Holy cow, I already had two songs off of escape. Come on that was my number that was my number four album.
Speaker 2:Well, that was my number one album and I know.
Speaker 1:All right, Anyway. That's why. That's why he hates his list. I hate my list.
Speaker 2:I couldn't put all 10 songs off of escape. We won the 10 on my song.
Speaker 1:I love that whole album. So my number eight another killer song, another killer song with another killer, guitar solo, faithfully, oh yeah, just so awesome. At the end of that, just the last whatever you know minute or so, minute and a half. It just so, so good. And come on, steve Perry singing that song is, oh man, just especially the end of that song, just screaming that stuff out, holding those notes, and I do like the live version of that on the what is the? It's on Journey's Greatest Hits Live album, okay, and which is kind of just a mishmash of all kinds of live tracks it's not from any one particular day to show or tour or anything like that.
Speaker 1:But it's uncut, it's unedited, they didn't try to do any fixing on it. And when Steve Perry hits that big note at the end you know forever more and he's holding that and holding that and holding that. You hear his voice break in it. But he, but it starts to break and he changes the note. For those who know the song, you know it, you hear it, but he makes it sound so beautiful. Still, it's great, it's a yeah. So I mean I love the live version of that, but I'm going with the studio off of Frontiers, okay.
Speaker 2:So we're at number seven now. Will and the Sky, and I like both versions, live and studio. To say it right now, it's just a great, great guitar solo in the middle, and seeing Jonathan Kane playing that guitar along with Neil Sean, that was such a great song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he finally he comes out in the middle of the song, yeah, right In the middle of the song he comes out to play. Yeah, I like when, again, I think it was all. I think this one was the live 81. Yeah, the one from Houston was the escape tour. Yeah, and the guitar solo is different because they put the guitar solo in the middle of that song.
Speaker 2:They kind of changed it, whereas from Capture was at the end of the song, Exactly.
Speaker 1:I know what you're saying, yeah, so a little bit different guitar solo, but yeah, and they played it that way for a long time. Most of the years that we went to see him, they were playing that with that version of it.
Speaker 2:We'll find out. But yeah, we may find out. This year we did that.
Speaker 1:And come on.
Speaker 2:It's a great song.
Speaker 1:It's a great song.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:So seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven. Yeah, love and touch. And squeezing the live version off of Captured, because there's a couple of live versions out there. No, Off of Captured. I'm shaking my head for those that are listening and not watching at home. It's just man so good.
Speaker 1:And I think we talked about it before. At least we have in the past that Captured album. No funny business with it the way it was recorded. Yeah, they might have bumped up some volume levels or that kind of stuff, but they didn't go in and do any fixes on this and on Love and Touch and Squeeze. And Steve Perry has a little bit of like a voice break in, that one Coming back in from right before they come back into the final.
Speaker 2:Na na na, na, na, na, na na na stuff Like no, nine minutes later we're still singing na na Nine minutes later, yeah, His voice kind of cracks a little bit, it should.
Speaker 1:It's such a great I love that version. It's just a great version. Yeah, so good, all right. So where are we at now? We're at number six, huh.
Speaker 2:Love and touch and squeezing Pretty close. Yeah, yeah, yeah, try singing that song karaoke songs. I did that when I was drunk and boy didn't sound that good.
Speaker 1:But I have one insist to that.
Speaker 2:To my brother-in-law, who was actually there. Listen, he had daring me to sing it, so I went out there and sung and it took forever, it seemed. Anyway was so long, oh gosh.
Speaker 1:I never do that again. I don't think I ever want to see that.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you do not.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying the live them, oh, I know All right. So my number six is Wheel in the Sky, the live version of Captured, and my favorite part of that song is right in the middle when Steve lets that scream out. And on the studio version it's all one long continuous yeah, it's not really a scream, but it's a good version.
Speaker 1:We know what we're talking about. We know what you all know what I'm talking about. But on the Captured album he's whoa and he stops and he picks it up again and it still sounds great. It still sounds great, but you're talking about you can do anything studio, because you can take as much time and most of the time when you're recording, you do one song a day, maybe two songs a day, and you're done. Well, when you're out on the road, you're singing 20 songs a night and it's okay to break that note in half. It's okay, Certainly is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's just, it's just great, and you know the guitar work on it at the end, the solo and stuff just so good. Yeah, I said it again so good. I've been told a time or three that I say that way too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do, but oh well, we'll let that one go. Okay, so my number five yeah, number five Feeling that way Anytime, anytime.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Remember the day we went, we were at your was your dad's house yeah. But we are rocking to that song captured. That's the song that I picked.
Speaker 1:You picked the library.
Speaker 2:The library that's what it reminded me of. Yeah, so every time I hear that song, it reminds me of you and your brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you and I and Chuck, we were clowning around playing air guitar, air drums, everything else, and we were little kids Wiggling around on the floor all over the place.
Speaker 2:That was a couple years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I thought my dad opens a door and busts with doing it.
Speaker 1:What are you guys doing?
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 1:What are you embarrassing? Yeah, but there's some, there's some, there's some screaming guitar on the end of that, with the end of any time on that version.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really really good stuff. Those two songs are really good, but only one song that's right. Only counts is one on this list, so we're good.
Speaker 1:What's your number five? My number five is going to surprise a lot of people. If my, if my list to this point hasn't surprised a bunch of people, this one will Might have. My number five is red 13,. State of grace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm a little surprised about that. Off of red 13.
Speaker 1:Top five huh, top five, wow, top five, man Top five From the time, from the moment I first heard that and put it in push play and let it go, I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool, this is so good. You've got that musical build up with red 13 at the beginning, the first two minutes, and it gets a little progressive sounding, it's a little atmospheric sounding and and then and then the song just kicks right in and it's just some killer guitar and I love the rhythm of the song and Steve a Jerry is I, look, I'm, look, I. I make no bones about this and I have said this time and time again, not every episode, but almost my listeners know how much I dig Steve a Jerry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was good Good.
Speaker 1:I and and I dig him so much and I love his work in the band, love his work. And actually one song just came to mind right now that is not on my list and it wasn't even in my 47. And I could just kick myself for it. I'm so mad right now that I'll wait till we're done. But but yeah, that red 13, state of grace, and and it's fun the end of the song, the band is coming together, state of grace, and then you hear it, they actually turn they. It's like they flip the album over or drop the needle and spun it backwards because it says state of grace in reverse.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so it. It took me a few times to listen to it, to catch it, but they do it a couple of three times and it's just kind of neat. It's just a great song, great, great, great song. So, and it was, like you know, journey, touching on their, their sound pre Steve Perry. They were touching on that little fusion, jazz fusion, we'll say a little progressiveness, and so I just, yeah, just really really dig it. Anyway, all right. So, yeah, that one's my number five dude. Well, my number.
Speaker 2:My number four is Arnold. He is number one for me is never walk away. Wow, love that song. Wow, the beat in the guitar work in that is an awesome song, Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, we are wet. That was your number four. Right, that was my number. So that means we're, so we're. I'm just gonna let you know we're 17 songs into this. Well, he's 17. I'm 16 into this, okay, and I'm just gonna let you know there's no Arnell Panetta on my list. None, wow. So, um, yeah, I'll let everybody out there know too, since I just did, you don't like Arnell Panetta, we talked about it.
Speaker 2:Okay, we talked, it's okay, it's okay to be different.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, look, there's nothing about the last three albums from Journey Post Steve Ageri that have done anything for me. They don't capture my attention. Um, not to say there won't be a good song here or a good song there, or not to say that musically, look, musically it's still always gonna be great, especially when you have a player like Neil Sean and you have a player like Dean Castronovo and for, for most of that time, you have a killer player like Ross Valerie, and Ross Valerie I mentioned before. He's so underrated as a bass player and a singer too. He's great, great, Not great lead singer.
Speaker 1:He's great for what he does and um, yeah, but, but I just there's never been anything in those songs that I don't know, because I don't hear the same journey soul in his voice. I, I mentioned it before, steve Perry has just a tremendous soul in his voice. Besides those notes that he hits. Steve Ageri has the same thing, um, and and I even think to Steve Ageri's admission not as otherworldly like. Steve Perry has the same thing in his voice and so he could pull all that stuff off. But when I hear a Nelson I only hear notes.
Speaker 1:So that's why, okay, alright. Uh, so my number four Stone in love off of escape man, and we're talking about guitar work, guitar solos too, and it's such a great rocker and you hear the band Harmonize so well, all the way, like the last minute, and you hear the band Harmonize all the way. So you know we get to have someone in love and again you get that. We get to have Jonathan King come out from behind the keyboards, you know, midway through the song and we get to hear double guitar work on that one and it's uh, yeah, it's just, that's a, that is a, just a great song. You know, good, good, like I said, good, harm, harm, uh that's why it's number four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a huge disappointment for me, because I have it off my list and I want to put it up, and as I couldn't put it on, there's nowhere to put it.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's why I hate my list.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, anyways, uh, number three don't stop believing. Alright, and it's not my number one song, but that's, that's just a great song, alright, I mean, it's the number one song in the world being playing on radio, and they're right.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, um yeah. And look, we've talked about it before too. It is, it's a great song. I mean, come on, it's. It's. It's one of, if still not the number one stream song in the world. You know, I'm yeah, I'm not sure if it still is, but it certainly was for a long time it was for a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but you know, it's weird is that that was not a an on-core song for the band until, and probably until, uh, the Steve of Jerry years. Oh, we they. Yeah, that wasn't an on-core song for those, however many years, until until that point. There Something else on my screen. Let me get rid of this here.
Speaker 2:I know you can't see it at home but I see it here Boom, okay, cover me up. Done, that's a problem. Yeah, I know I don't want to cover. I don't want to cover you up. You can't cover me up, you can't cover me up. I'm a pretty big, that's right. That's right. We only have pretty people on the show.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, alright, uh, so that was your number three, right? Uh, don't stop believing. Okay, my number three again. People are going to hate me for it, but oh well, it's my list. You know put your own Higher place from arrival Great song.
Speaker 1:Another song I can put up yeah, it's a great song, and the last time you were here and we were when we were ranking our albums and I mean, I think it was I can't, I don't recall exactly, I think it was and I said that there was so much great material off of this album and I could have put a bunch of it on this list too. Um, but also I said that higher place was one of those songs that I could just man, I can just hear it over and over again.
Speaker 1:It's just that good, that's really good, is that good? And and make sure you can't be for it to be the, the, the, the one song, because it's the first song that's on the brand new journey with the new guy Steve Ageri, and to have that song lead it off to me it sent a message hey man, hey people, we're uh, he gets your attention, we're back and we mean business, yeah, so yeah, good stuff, yeah, alright, so number two who's crying now?
Speaker 2:Uh no that you know because of because of you know, it's just a great song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just says I completely agree with you, you know the solo at the end.
Speaker 2:it's just the way that song ended.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I remember. Um, I just remembered it because you know, the album came out in the summer of 81, before we started our junior junior years in high school and uh, and I just remember hearing it and I was man.
Speaker 2:It's such a cool song, it's just so. It's just a really super good album.
Speaker 1:It just was just super good. Yeah, come on. Come on, that's it. Yeah, off off of a great album. Yeah, super, uh, alright, what's your number two? My?
Speaker 2:number two Alright, I cheated, yeah, we go. I cheated again, see, yeah, that's why I hate my name.
Speaker 1:I hate to be there. They both out, they both had to is why I cheated Um edge of the blade from Frontiers and Dixie Highway. Dixie Highway.
Speaker 2:Live. That's a great song. I'm catching it out.
Speaker 1:It's it's the only version of that song.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There is no studio version of that song? Oh, you're right, yeah, actually, and there is no other recording of that song anywhere. So which is, which is just a recording of it and that was uncaptured and which is just, it's so good, it is gosh, and and again, you know we've been talking about this a lot on all these songs is Neil's Guitar work. You know just, man, it, just it's fantastic. I wish I wish we were musicians, because maybe we could break it down even more or better.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, dixie Highway is just so, it's just. Yeah. From the first time I ever heard it, I was like, wow, this is a really cool song. And then you find out wait, no, this is a brand new song. It's not. What album is it on? Nope, not on any album. And you would think that writing it on that tour, it could. It could have made the escape album. Now, I don't know if it was something they even considered and maybe it just didn't fit, although you know, there's some things that I don't know. Um, I think it could have fit, but I don't even know if it was a consideration.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because it'd been nice to have it explained Well we, you know, we probably would have to go back to you know, talk to Neil about it. You know, hey, neil, you want to come on the show Because you were around, I don't know. Maybe we could get Jonathan Kane on the show. He was, he was around back then. Where there discussions on having Dixie Highway on Escape. Steve Perry, you know we've got a lot of time and maybe you can let us know if Dixie Highway was a consideration. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, you're listen. All you guys are welcome on this show Anytime. Just give me a call, Alright, drop me a line, leave me a comment, whatever, email them.
Speaker 2:Anything Right, come on. Come on, make your comment.
Speaker 1:Give me a comment. That's right. That's right, um okay.
Speaker 2:We're finally at the drum roll. We're finally, at the drum roll. We're not bored of us yet, if you haven't at least you're here now you know what the yeah if you haven't turn the show off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my number one and I'm gonna tell you right now I, I thought for sure, don't stop believing was gonna be your number one. So I am completely lost. I don't know.
Speaker 2:You don't know what my number was. Nope, I have no idea, I barely know myself. I don't know. Anyway, you want it?
Speaker 1:Oh my okay, that one is out of left field.
Speaker 2:That's a rock, that one is out of that field. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's all. It's just again. Guitar solo. Yeah, again, you know, and great guitar work in it. Um, it's not on my list, people, it's not my number one. Okay, yeah, it's not Um, I don't know what your number would be no, no idea, okay, and none of you are gonna believe this Message of love.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, Now trial by fire.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. That's crazy. Message of love Crazy. I said it before again Just such a killer song. Um, what a great comeback for a reunion album. We're gonna talk about that, it just came to mind right now. It's just a great comeback. But, yeah, it's just a dynamite song and I can hear that song over and over and over again and I don't get burned out on it. So, yeah, what songs did I leave off of my list that people are gonna like want to hit me over the head Is don't stop believing on my list. No, it's not Um, and it's a look, killer song. It absolutely is a killer song. But for me we've talked about it a lot, I've been on a lot of Twitter on that one Um, so I did. Did I penalize?
Speaker 1:that song for the burnout factor. Yeah, I, I, I, I'll just admit it, I did. I penalize the song for that, um, but uh, you know, I I don't have any way you want it. On, on, on on my list. There's a lot of stuff on your list I and I just I'm glad, I'm happy. I said I'm happy that our lists are on the same. We didn't have any in the same position, that's for sure. I'm not in the same position. But so, yeah, some message of love off a trial by fire is just an absolutely killer song and, um, uh, love it.
Speaker 2:Love it, love it, love it. That's a good song.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure it's number one on my list, but I mean when we were doing a list again when we hit, when we hit, stop on this. We're gonna listen to it. I think there's a couple of things we were gonna listen to about the band's and the quote unquote. I don't know if we talked about this, so you'll have to, you'll have to remind me if we didn't make me stop, but you know, I think, when they did that, what was it that? The documentary? What was it that you were talking about? Oh yeah, um, steve calls Jonathan. Uh, shortly after his tour is uh, uh, for the love of Strange Medicine, tour was was done and he was. Oh, I miss my guys, I miss my band. Oh, let's get back to see what we come up with. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know if you remember that story, but it was something along those lines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I heard about it and I think that when they were coming back together had something more to do with they still owed the record company another record. Probably, I think so because it still came out. Well, the. The next two albums that uh, trial by fire and arrival, were both on Columbia or Sony Music, whatever, um, but but I think they still owed the record company an an album and I think that had a lot to do with it and I know that there was a lot of people who had produced them at the time. Um, he came in to try to put the, put these guys back together and and and probably let him know hey, you guys still owe the record company another, another, another, uh, another, go around here, um, but that's just kind of my thought on it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you have a thought on that. No, I don't, because I haven't heard anything to the long those lines. Yeah, even to even quote. I couldn't tell you yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know, I'm really quick and then I'll do the same and then we'll let everybody go home. Do you want me to?
Speaker 2:just give me. Do you need a?
Speaker 1:full 20s. No, just go down, just go right down your list.
Speaker 2:My number twenty was little girl. My number nineteen was lights. My number eighteen was lying to fire. My number seventeen was separate ways. My number sixteen was only the young. My number fifteen is where were you? Number fourteen was faithfully confident. Number twelve was be good to yourself. Number eleven was girl can't help it. Number ten was parties over. Number nine is when you love a woman. Number eight was open arms. Number seven was wheel in the sky. Number six was loving, touching Suisin. Number five was feeling that way. Slash anytime. Number four was never walk away. Number three is don't stop believing. And number two was who's crying now? And my absolute number one was any way to stop believing.
Speaker 2:Not shocked it, not shocked it all, cause I hate my list.
Speaker 1:like I said, yeah, I know, but I, but you know, like I said, I thought it was going to be, don't stop believing, but even at that I wasn't even thinking any way. You want it. Yeah, you know, even though it's a great song and it's a, it's a nice fast rocker.
Speaker 2:Um, I had good times with that song. I mean, it was just the reason it was number one, because I remember a lot of good things with it with that. I think the song was just like that's what music does for us.
Speaker 1:It. We hear something, it takes us right back to where we were the first time.
Speaker 2:The second time.
Speaker 1:the third time we heard it, that's true, it takes us right back to that time. That's true, you know, and most of the time it's a good time. So that's you know. That's positive there. Yeah, um, I was just surprised only because I didn't even think about that song for my list because, again, like, don't stop believing for me there's the burnout factor and so it suffered that for me, but I'm not going to go into the burnout factor.
Speaker 2:So well, no, I see.
Speaker 1:I've got a lot of deep cuts on mine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do, they're like hits for me but they're deep cuts in the catalog. Um, okay, so really quick. From 20 on down Uh, I cheated in the 20 spot, I've got lay it down off of escape and hopelessly in love parties over from captured. At number nineteen I have the time from red thirteen. Number eighteen should have been higher. Live and breathe.
Speaker 1:From arrival Number sixteen homemade love off of departure. Number fifteen frontiers off of frontiers. Number fourteen where were you? Off of departure. Number thirteen separate ways, frontiers. Uh. Number twelve feeling that way any time off of infinity. The studio version of that. Number eleven walks like a lady off of captured. That's the live frontiers. They're like raised on radio.
Speaker 1:Number nine who's crying now with that awesome guitar solo off of escape. Number eight faithfully from frontiers. Number seven loving, touch and squeezing from captured. Number six wheel in the sky, also from captured. Number five red thirteen, state of grace off of red thirteen. Number four stone and love off of escape. Number three take me to the right of arrival Number two I cheated one more time Edge of the blade from front tiers and Dixie Highway off of captured. And my number one message of love off a trial by fire. There you have it. Yes, not even one of my favorite albums. I ranked that one pretty low last time you're in, but then that song does it. That just does it, man. So, uh, yeah. So let's let everybody go home. We're talking about the sound music.
Speaker 2:What do you say? Sounds good to me? All right, listen Now. We're moving Now we're now.
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