Ever wondered how an all-girl band turns an ordinary night electric or what happens when softball meets rock 'n' roll legends? Spaz and I are still buzzing from our night out with Eddie Trunk and the amazing performance by Turning Jane, which we're thrilled to recount for you. But that's just the pre-show; we've got the inside scoop on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2024 nominees, and we're ripping the lid off the debate on genre diversity with hot takes on the latest pop and hip-hop contenders.
Hold onto your vinyl, folks, because we're cranking up the volume on Hall of Fame controversies. Did you ever think that Sinead O'Connor's one massive hit could rival A Tribe Called Quest's cultural wave? We're hashing it out, dissecting the curious case of individual versus band recognition, and whether Ozzy's solo flight deserves a separate spot in the Hall. Join us for a backstage pass to the drama, the snubs, and the industry politics that fuel the fires of induction debates.
Finally, let's light a candle for the unsung heroes of rock. We're pulling no punches as we spotlight those who've left an indelible mark on the music world but are still waiting in the wings for their Hall of Fame call-up. From MC5's overdue nod to the influential yet unrecognized efforts of Styx and Boston, this episode is an anthem for the underdogs and a rally cry for overdue recognition. So, crank up your speakers, and let's rock this Hall of Fame discussion like it's a sold-out show! #thebenmaynardprogram #tellyourstory #familymatters #spotify #classicrock #rocknrollhalloffame #foreignerband #foreigner #peterframpton #koolandthegang #ozzyosbourne #lennykravitz
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Ever wondered how an all-girl band turns an ordinary night electric or what happens when softball meets rock 'n' roll legends? Spaz and I are still buzzing from our night out with Eddie Trunk and the amazing performance by Turning Jane, which we're thrilled to recount for you. But that's just the pre-show; we've got the inside scoop on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2024 nominees, and we're ripping the lid off the debate on genre diversity with hot takes on the latest pop and hip-hop contenders.
Hold onto your vinyl, folks, because we're cranking up the volume on Hall of Fame controversies. Did you ever think that Sinead O'Connor's one massive hit could rival A Tribe Called Quest's cultural wave? We're hashing it out, dissecting the curious case of individual versus band recognition, and whether Ozzy's solo flight deserves a separate spot in the Hall. Join us for a backstage pass to the drama, the snubs, and the industry politics that fuel the fires of induction debates.
Finally, let's light a candle for the unsung heroes of rock. We're pulling no punches as we spotlight those who've left an indelible mark on the music world but are still waiting in the wings for their Hall of Fame call-up. From MC5's overdue nod to the influential yet unrecognized efforts of Styx and Boston, this episode is an anthem for the underdogs and a rally cry for overdue recognition. So, crank up your speakers, and let's rock this Hall of Fame discussion like it's a sold-out show! #thebenmaynardprogram #tellyourstory #familymatters #spotify #classicrock #rocknrollhalloffame #foreignerband #foreigner #peterframpton #koolandthegang #ozzyosbourne #lennykravitz
Thanks for listening! Follow me on Instagram: benmaynardprogram
and subscribe to my YouTube channel: THE BEN MAYNARD PROGRAM
I also welcome your comments. email: pl8blocker@aol.com
Hey everyone, welcome into the BendMainer program. Thanks for being here. Before we get started, let's take care of some housekeeping. As a reminder, this program is available on multiple podcast outlets like Apple Podcasts, amazon Music and Spotify, or you can just search the BendMainer program and choose your option. I, of course, want to steer everyone right towards Buzzsprout, because that's where my website is, and if you can't resist this stuff right here, yeah, and you're watching on YouTube, then I ask that you please subscribe to the channel, give us a thumbs up and leave a comment. Last but not least, follow me on Instagram, simply BendMainer program.
Speaker 1:So, as always, plenty of ways to take in this show for your dancing and listening pleasure. And with that, we'll recap the last episode real fast. That was Fav and Big Sexy. Oh my gosh, that was so much fun. What great people. Great people, we had such a great time and that was just so much fun. Good stories, good discussion with those folks. So if you haven't seen it yet, check it out, all right, and, as you can see, becoming a regular contributor to this show, my buddy Spaz.
Speaker 1:And yeah, say hello, everyone.
Speaker 2:Hello yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, as we're recording this, it's pretty late. It's past our bedtime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're almost sleeping asleep already. It's past our bedtime. Should have been asleep already. I should have went, mimi, so long ago.
Speaker 1:Long time ago, but we went out tonight, him and I, and we saw Eddie Trunk. Eddie Trunk from Trunk Nation on Series XM. He had a speaking engagement this evening close by, and so the two of us went down to go see Eddie and it was so much fun yeah.
Speaker 2:Great show.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. There was an opening band, all girl band, young girls probably, I'm sure, in their early 20s, called Turning Jane, and all original material and they did a really good job.
Speaker 2:Those five songs they played, heck, yeah, yeah, they just woke you up. They were loud, they were really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did a really good job. So, eddie, after that, after they had come on and performed with five or six songs, then Eddie came out and did his speaking thing, storytelling Q&A, all that kind of stuff, and then Phil X, currently from Bon Jovi, he had come out and they did a little bit of back and forth between the two of them and that was really good. Then the band Turning Jane came back on and Phil joined them for three songs. These ones were all cover tunes because, phil, it had to be songs that of course everybody knows and that it wouldn't take much time for them to rehearse and get down. But it was a really good evening.
Speaker 2:It was a lot of fun. Yeah, a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had talked about this previously that we would record this show after we got back. But before we get going with what we're going to talk about tonight, I just have to say congratulations to Spaz over here. Milestone moment Milestone moment in the softball history of Spaz. Last night he put the ball in play.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the last time he was here and he was telling us that he's having trouble seeing the ball and he hadn't put anything in play yet, he hit the ball once. He hit it foul and that was a big mark. And then last night he hits the ball in play Awesome. And what happened? Double play, Oops.
Speaker 2:I didn't know how many outs they were. Nobody told me anything. It was great. It was great.
Speaker 1:I see it this morning. I see his post on Facebook and he's like, yeah, finally Hit the ball in play. And then he goes on yeah, and I hit into a double play.
Speaker 2:Hey, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:One step at a time.
Speaker 2:Yep one step.
Speaker 1:You know, next one's going to be a full base.
Speaker 1:It'll be a bleeder through the infield or something. So, look, here's what we're going to talk about tonight. All right, there it is at the bottom of the screen. And the reason why we're going to discuss this is, I'm sure most of you know and if you don't, you're going to know now that the nominees for this year's class of 2020, yeah, the 2024 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was announced. It was announced almost a week ago, and so this is our first time we've been able to get together and do this.
Speaker 1:But we want to discuss the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees and kind of go over them one at a time, and we're going to share our opinion on each one. And what we're going to do. We'll go over the entire list there's a list of 15. And then we're going to discuss who we think or who we want to go in, and then who we think the voting body is going to elect for this year's class. So we're not going to waste a bunch of time here, we're going to get right into it, and so why don't we? Just you know, okay, look, here's the thing, here's the thing, and chime in wherever you want. Spaz, of course. Look, it's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and probably within the last 10 years or so, it's really gotten away from Rock and Roll, so much so that there's just a ton of pop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:A ton of pop being elected into the Hall of Fame, a ton of hip hop artists or even R&B artists, and okay, the problem that I have with it is it's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and there's a country music Hall of Fame. I do believe that there is a hip hop Hall of Fame. I could correct me if I'm wrong. Leave it in the comments. But I do believe so. Maybe I do. There are no rock artists in the country Hall of Fame. Actually, until Dolly Parton was inducted last year, there were no country artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But there are no rock artists in the country music Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:There are no rock artists in the hip hop Hall of Fame, and there shouldn't be. There shouldn't be, but they don't belong. I don't think so. I agree. It's not segregation what it is, it's different genres being recognized. If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was going to allow all these different genres, then maybe they should just change it to.
Speaker 2:Change the name yeah. Right, right Except being it's not Rock and Roll, then change the name, right.
Speaker 1:And that's the only problem that I have with it. I don't know. I guess it was maybe 15 years ago I think I'd have to check the math on it Donna Summer was elected into the Hall of Fame. And you know what's funny is I didn't have a problem with that. I think I just had a problem when it started to become kind of an epidemic of just a bunch of pop artists and hip hop artists being selected, nominated.
Speaker 2:Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1:And then in turn, some of them selected.
Speaker 2:They should call the top 40.
Speaker 1:Something.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Because then everybody can be in it.
Speaker 1:Right, because it's just certainly changed over the over the last, probably 15 years at least, and you can look, you can go back in rock history and the genre of rock and roll has changed a lot. I mean, when rock and roll quote unquote began you're talking about, I mean, look, okay, the king, elvis Presley, but you had Bill Haley in the comments, you had Buddy Holly, you had that's Domino, you had Little Richard.
Speaker 2:Richie Valance. Yes, those artists.
Speaker 1:And you can probably come off the mic a little bit, and so it all had a very similar sound. But that was rock and roll To me too, Right.
Speaker 1:And then it kind of evolved a little bit with the British invasion in the 60s and it seemed to change a little bit, included a blues, bass, especially with the Rolling Stones, yeah, and, like I said, the Beatles changed a lot. It got a little bit harder and a little bit heavier, I guess you could say. But then at the late 60s, early 70s, now we had bands like the Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin and, yes, I'm gonna include one of my favorites, the Ariaheep, deep Purple, the who Right, the who.
Speaker 1:It got a little harder edged, but still rock and roll.
Speaker 1:And of course now we've got all kinds of different genres of rock punk and heavy metal and even within the heavy metal category, there's a bunch of different genres there, so, but it's all rock based. Where some of these other genres, there's no rock in them at all, and that's where it becomes very confusing and to the. I guess, confusing to the, to the hardcore rock fan, maybe To the casual fan, music fan. They don't care, they don't know the difference, they don't care. So why does it bother us? I don't-.
Speaker 2:Just, there was a matter of opinion, we're all out, we're all into how to write.
Speaker 1:All right, so Everybody has one Anyway. So look, the nominees are out. There's 15 of them. I'll put my glasses on and we're gonna go down the list. Let's just go through them first, okay? Mary J Blige.
Speaker 2:She's not a rock and roll person, not a rock artist.
Speaker 1:She's a little bit of-.
Speaker 2:I would say R&B.
Speaker 1:R&B, little hip hop. Mariah Carey. She's not a rock artist, she is certainly not a rocker Right. No, no, she is R&B, adult, contemporary. Yeah, that type of thing, cher, cher is not one. No, yeah, go ahead. She's not rock she, I would say in the 80s, early 80s, even into the later 80s, she was leaning rock.
Speaker 2:but it was still more I say that's skeptical and that's kind of a middle of the road between that and-.
Speaker 1:Right Right Dave Matthews' band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Tom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tom 42B. Tom 42B Rock and roll. It's a jam band.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Eric B and Rakeem Don't even know them and you know what, and I don't either Never heard of them, but I think they're more from the rapper hip hop genre Probably. Then we've got Forner, Of course we know that as a rock and roll band? Yeah, absolutely, peter Frampton Yep.
Speaker 2:Rock and roll.
Speaker 1:Yep, originated in Humble Pie. Yeah, jane's Addiction, that's an alternative rock, sure, but it's still rock, right, cool in the gang. More R&B, funk, excuse me, even a, I don't know. I guess in the late 70s. Nah, I wouldn't even say disco, just R&B and funk, dance music, love Cool in the Gang.
Speaker 2:It's a great band. They'll doubt about it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Lenny Kravitz. He's definitely rock and roll, yeah, and Lenny Kravitz kind of touches on a lot of different genres, but, yes, in the day he's not an art and rock band. But rock bass.
Speaker 2:He's not rock, you know. He's rock bass. He's not singing disco or anything like that he's a rock and roll band Right.
Speaker 1:Then we have Oasis.
Speaker 2:They're a turn band yeah, but at least they're in the rock genre yeah, liam and Noel Gallagher, yes, definitely rock Shenado, connor no no, nothing compares to you. It's not a rock and roll song.
Speaker 1:No, not at all, but you know. Then you have Ozzy Osbourne, definitely rock and roll, right Shade, another R&B group. Maybe, yeah, an R&B singer Yep, Great, great voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well done.
Speaker 1:It's had a lengthy career, very successful career, but not in the rock space. And then a tribe called Quest. Never heard of them and they're you know more on the rap or hip hop.
Speaker 2:Oh, you've heard of them. I have heard of them. I have heard of them, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1:I've never heard of them.
Speaker 2:I honestly I don't know if Well, I'm a rock and roll guy. So, yeah, I don't know. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if I could. I can't name a song and I don't know if you played one. If I could tell you it was them or not, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Put your comments down and tell us if we're wrong. Right, you know. If they let us know. Okay, I don't think we are, so I just yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1:I get frustrated by that at times and I guess because well, I don't know how many or first time nominees I didn't check the notes on that. No, I think Mary J Blash has been on the ballot before this, eric B and Rakeem I think this might be first time for them. I've never because I had never heard of them before?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've never heard of them, so I'm gonna miss speed.
Speaker 1:Jane's addiction. I think that's a first time for them. Oasis, I believe, is first time. Also Shanae Do Connor, I'm almost positive, is first time, Same as Shade and Tribe Called Quest. I wanna say that's not first time for them.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, wait, wait, okay, first time, wait, wait. Shanae Do Connor, Cher Mariah Carey, peter Frampton, lenny Kravitz, cool and the Gang and Shade Okay, those are all first timers. Yeah, along with along with Forner we know Forner's a first timer, let's see. Yeah, mary J Blash has previously nominated, and so was Dave Matthews Band, eric B and Rakim oh says they're not first timers and a Tribe Called Quest yeah, I figured a Tribe Called Quest had been nominated previously. So what we're gonna do? We're just gonna break it down a little bit, so we'll just start at the top of the list. Mary J Blash, r&b Yep, it's, I think. Now that it's. I think it might be second time that she's been nominated, but here's the thing there's so many other artists that are well overdue.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's what I was gonna tell you. I mean, there's a lot of bands out there that haven't made it that should be on the first time We'll get into that.
Speaker 1:in a minute, too, we'll talk about our snubs as well. But so one. It doesn't fit the name of the Hall of Fame, so it doesn't fit the genre.
Speaker 2:Well, the Rock and Roll Hall of.
Speaker 1:Fame, Right, but the thing is, in the past few years, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has come out and said oh, it's all inclusive, everything is rock and roll, and blah, blah, blah. I'm not quoting them, I'm just paraphrasing the things that they have said, and that's okay all right.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess everything is rock and roll now and we know it's not. But whatever, it's their gig, it's their museum. I guess they can do whatever they want. Okay, so Mariah Carey, first timer of course, looks just like Mary J Blyche incredibly successful career, okay.
Speaker 2:They're good, I mean they're great there's no doubt about that, and I mean they deserve to be in a Hall of Fame, but not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They deserve to be in some form of a Hall of Fame within their group.
Speaker 1:not so much Rock and Roll, because they're not a rock and roll band, right so my opinion yeah, okay, but again so many other artists that have either been snubbed or never even made. Well, I would consider being snubbed like never being on a ballot. And then other artists that have been on ballots they've been nominated and then not elected or voted in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get enough votes from people out there to vote.
Speaker 1:Okay again, Cher, no Kind of sort of touched on the rock space there In between 40 years ago gone a lot more pop, very huge career, yeah, Huge career. See, I don't want to, I won't say I put her in the same class, but as far as their career, the length of their career song, I kind of look at Cher and Tina Turner, the same Kind of. Except Tina Turner I do consider rock yeah she said I consider Tina Turner rock.
Speaker 1:She did have some R&B stuff in there, but she wanted to be a rocker. That was her whole thing is. And she, you know I considered her rock. I really do. God rest her soul. Yeah, absolutely. So I kind of put them in the same space. Tina Turner absolutely Boom. No question, cher, I'm like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:And Dave Matthews band of course they are rock band, yeah, but again, they're still new to the game here. As far as their eligibility, yeah, okay, yes, they've been around for over 25 years because you've got to be. The criteria is it's got to be 25 years beyond your first release. That makes you eligible for the Rock and the Hall of.
Speaker 1:Fame. So, yes, dave Matthews band has been around long enough, but they've only been eligible for a very short time, so really they got to be here. Eric B and Rakeem I know they're not rock and roll, okay, that's all I can tell you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I've never heard of this. I have no idea where to put them, but I know they're not rock and roll band. That's what I do know.
Speaker 1:Exactly, jane's Addiction. Alternative Rock Again, I put them like not the same category, but like Dave Matthews, jane's Addiction. They haven't been eligible that long. There's so many other bands I'm telling you that other bands that have been eligible for the last 15 years that have never had a sniff of a nomination. So that's why it's like I like the whole rule of seniority. You know, I think seniority prevails, not cool in the gang R&B, funk but dang, it's hard to put them in a rock and roll. But I love their music.
Speaker 1:They have great bands Love cool, and I guess, if you look at it this way too, by the rock and roll hall of fame's criteria, cool in the gang should have been a long time ago. And what their? Their their first time, their first timers on a ballot? I don't know. No, yeah, they are their first timers on a ballot. Are you kidding me? They've been around since the 60s.
Speaker 2:The last time I saw them. They opened up for Van.
Speaker 1:Halen.
Speaker 2:Yes. What does that say about the way they categorize that?
Speaker 1:And they had, and they had the and they were awesome, they had the arena jump. Oh, I was there. Yes, yeah, they had the arena jump and I love cool in the gang.
Speaker 2:And and was not compared to cool in the gang they were they stole the show that day.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree with that. So, like I said, by the rock and roll hall of fame's criteria, then I think that cool in the gang is deserving, you know. But then by their criteria, I think share is deserving as well. Yeah, I just think, as far as, like Mary J Blige and Mariah Carey, I think if you're going to go by their criteria, then I think they should wait. And you got Lenny Kravitz, first timer on the ballot.
Speaker 1:Lenny's great Lenny's been around since the late 80s. So, let me see, I don't know, I don't know the exact year of his first release, but let's just say you know 88, 89,. That takes us to 2000. Actually, I think this might be like first, no, no, no, no, no, that would be 35 to. So he's been eligible for a little while, now 88. So that would be 98, oh, eight, and like since 2013, something like that 2012, 2013, 2014,. Right in that area, since he that he's been eligible, so probably a good 10 years he's been eligible and first time on a ballot. That's kind of it's kind of criminal there a little bit. You know, I do think that Lenny is very deserving of getting in Oasis. Same thing, not quite the longevity of Kravitz Not that long at all.
Speaker 2:They weren't in the 90s grunge during the grunge year Right.
Speaker 1:They were. They were like mid 90s yeah. I believe it was right in that area.
Speaker 2:They haven't even put in 25 years, have they? Yes?
Speaker 1:they have Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they were 90s. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But here's a funny thing and huge, huge band, yeah, huge in America, even larger, worldwide, yeah. And what would be so funny is that if, if Oasis were to get inducted, would the Gallagher Brothers even show up to accept to accept their induction? And if they did, would they even play.
Speaker 2:Well, they're going to have. They're going to have to play at least two or three songs.
Speaker 1:Those guys hate each other, their brothers, and they hate each other. So who knows?
Speaker 2:Well but.
Speaker 1:But you know, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame likes this kind of stuff. They like controversy. Well, they like acts that there's a little bit of tension between whether it's current members or past members or whatever I remember like.
Speaker 2:journey the same thing with Steve Perry.
Speaker 1:journey the same thing with kiss, the same thing with guns and roses. Van Halen, those kind of things were some. Yeah, some members don't even show up, so yeah, it'd be interesting to see. But yeah then. But I mean, I do think that they're deserving, but I think that they could. I think that they could wait. I think, there's other bands that I'm more deserving Right? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I don't she had one hit, one song. Nothing compares to tell me another. Prince is the one who wrote it Exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Tell me another. It's a red show Hit song, another big song that she has.
Speaker 2:That's the only song I know, yeah. So I don't even know where that great song, though, no doubt, but that's the only song that I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just. I don't even understand where that comes from.
Speaker 1:So then we'll hit the shot. A again. A lengthy career, smooth operator, rock and roll, a great career, I don't know. She's been eligible for a little while though. So so by their standards then she is deserving. So I don't know, I'm up in the air on that one because, just because there's other acts that I want to see get there, not only their nomination, but get in and get their dude but you can't get in unless you get on a ballot, and there's so many bands that haven't even gotten.
Speaker 2:So I understand there's 15 bands here and probably have them no belonging there.
Speaker 1:You know, have the other half years.
Speaker 2:There's other deserving bands that should be on that list and a tribe called Quest.
Speaker 1:They've been around a long time, lengthy career, been around many, many years. Don't even know that's, never heard of them. That's what I know of them. Ok, but lengthy career. They are like icons. So again, by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame standards, yeah, yeah, they, they should. You know they're worthy and they should go in. However, I still there's still other bands that predate them that I think are deserving.
Speaker 2:OK, Ozzy. Osbourne Now crazy train, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Crazy, I mean. Look, he's a rock and roll band Right Now. Ozzy is already in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:He was inducted with for himself or with Black Sabbath, with Black Sabbath and, criminally, ronnie James deal wasn't included in that. Ronnie James deal made great music with Black Sabbath and was a great part of that band. When Ozzy couldn't pull it together, it was fired. So so, yeah, so Ozzy's already in with with with Black Sabbath and I don't have a problem beat him being nominated as a solo artist, because his his career as a solo artist, honestly, was probably as big, if not bigger, than his career with Black Sabbath. I mean his first two albums, the Blizzard the Blizzard or Vaz album and Diary of a Mad man. I think those, both those albums together sold like 16 million copies.
Speaker 2:They're good.
Speaker 1:So so, yes, but here's the rub. Here's the rub, the only one being being nominated by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and they choose from a band who goes in, the only one that's that's being nominated is Ozzy himself, and the problem I have with that is Ozzy was not without his band. Ozzy's nothing as a solo artist because Bob Daisley wrote all the lyrics to those songs. I think first three albums are right up to I think right up to the ultimate sin. He wrote all those lyrics.
Speaker 1:Ozzy didn't write lyrics, he didn't write songs. He got credit for them and that's thanks to his manager and his wife, sharon Osborn. And Lee Kerslake also wrote. Now, he didn't write lyrics but he did write music. So you had Lee and Bob writing those and Randy Randy Rhodes also. You had those three guys writing those songs and Ozzy getting all the credit for it. So if Ozzy is going to be nominated and selected or voted in, the rest of that band should go to those those three guys, because those first two albums are monumental. Randy Rhodes is in, but he got backdoor in a couple of years ago for some lifetime achievement or something along those lines. I can't recall what it was. But the rest of that band should, that whole band should go in.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know. I mean, I mean he's not going to walk on stage and perform a song without a band.
Speaker 1:There have been some exceptions made. If an artist like OK, we'll take, we'll take Bon Joby. For instance, when Bon Joby was nominated for the Hall of Fame, hugh McDonald, who's the bass player in the band now, was not included. But Alex Alex John, such, I think, is his name, the original bass player in the band. He really didn't play on the recordings, he played live, but Hugh McDonald was the one that recorded all most, if not all, of that material. And now Hugh is a member of the band. They should both been there. So, john, and it was just the original lineup of the band that was nominated. So John went to the Hall of Fame and said no, hugh McDonald gets included in it. And he pushed, and he pushed, and he pushed in the Hall of Fame cave and they said OK great.
Speaker 2:OK, so he's in.
Speaker 1:Good. It's happened a couple of other times too, I think one with Pat Benatar. She would not go in unless Neil was with her. Rightfully so Neil has been there from day one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, back in, not only as her musical partner and band partner, but her husband, and they wrote that stuff not all of it, of course, but they wrote all that stuff together. So Neil deserves to be there just as much as Pat. So she pushed back on it and it happened. So it can happen, but it's going to take. Look, Ozzy's not in a good way, OK, so he's not going to be the one speaking up no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Sharon should be the one going to the Hall of Fame and saying, hey, these guys deserve it as well. If you're going to elect Ozzy, you elect these guys too. But I don't think she'll do that because, look, she didn't allow the proper credit to be given back when Bob and Lee and Randy were writing all this music. So why is she going to give these guys credit now? Yeah, so it's just that's kind of a mess on that one. Ok then Peter Frampton long overdue, long, long, long, long overdue should have been on a ballot years ago, put out one of the greatest live albums in the history of live albums with Frampton comes alive, iconic, and Peter Frampton has been a legend for years, 50 years, 50 plus. Like I said, he came out of Humble Pie. So I don't know what are your feelings on Peter Frampton. He should be in.
Speaker 2:He should be both into the Hall of. Fame yeah yeah, and he's a rock-roll band. He should be in the band.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I and he, and he is nominated as a solo artist, so no band or anything like that, and then, last but not least, one of our absolute favorites.
Speaker 2:Warner Long, long overdue. Oh yeah, they should. They should win top. He should be the top band of that group.
Speaker 1:But I have heard 2024. Yeah, I have heard on multiple occasions and multiple interviews, primarily Lou Graham. As a matter of fact, we just heard today.
Speaker 2:Well, we're listening to some of it anyways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I heard Lou on Eddie Trunks show two years ago talking about the reason why Forner had never even been on a ballot and he had said that it was a vendetta against the band. That Jan Winner, who was a big part of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame until recently, recent years, him and Mick Jones were actually really good friends and they had some kind of a disagreement falling out or whatever it was, and a shouting match was in Jan's office and on Mick's way out of the office. Jan said it'll be a cold day in hell before you ever get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Wow, and stayed true, stayed true. But now the regime has changed at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the last few years and so now Forner shows up on a ballot Doesn't mean they're going to get in, but at least they show up. So somebody had some sense. The band has been long overdue. They've been snubbed for way too long and I'd pick them.
Speaker 2:They'd be my number one group.
Speaker 1:Well, they've been a number one snub of mine for gosh, I couldn't even tell you just for years. But at least the Hall of Fame got it right with the members that they are nominating. They got the original lineup of the band Lou Graham, mick Jones, dennis Elliott, ed Gagliardi, ian McDonald and Al Greenwood. Oh, and the name included Rick Wills, which is so deserving because Rick came in on the headgames, out, mick fired Ian McDonald and Al Greenwood and then Ed Gagliardi quit. He left the band and then they were in search of the bass player and they found Rick Wills, and Rick was an instrumental part of that band. He was on the headgames album, 4ne4 album, major Provocator, inside Information and the unusual heat album. So he was on six albums?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a majority of their music. Yeah, how many albums they have? Like you said, nine, yes, nine studio albums.
Speaker 1:He was in six, I didn't even count. So headgames for Agent Provocator, inside Information, unusual heat, so five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's a majority, that's over half, yeah.
Speaker 1:And a great contributor to the band. So yeah, so they got it right. They got it right, OK. So now we kind of kicked that around. So let's, who do you want to see go in? If this was your ballot and you get to vote for seven, OK or no, I'm sorry. You get to vote for five. Seven are going in, but you only get to vote for five. So who are you voting for?
Speaker 2:Well, on this list, I'll tell you right now who I'm voting for. Borners number one I would put in if I can only read my list, because I can't be without my glasses Because I'm blind.
Speaker 1:I offered myself.
Speaker 2:Peter Frampton's number two. Yeah, Number three would be see, that's kind of hard to say. I guess we'd have to put in Lenny Kravitz, Oasis, Ozzy Osbourne. That's six, correct. One, two, three, four. Or is that one five no that's five, that's five, that's five. Oh, OK, no, you only get to vote for five. Ok, now I'm good yeah yeah, yeah, your turn. That wasn't easy, but it's your turn.
Speaker 1:I think, out of this one here, out of these 15, I'm voting for foreigner. That's just first and foremost. I'm voting for Frampton, first and foremost, and I think I give it to Lenny Kravitz as well. I vote for Lenny Kravitz.
Speaker 2:You got two more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've got two more and I'm going to go Ozzy, provided that they get it right, and I'm going cool in the game.
Speaker 2:Oh, ok. Yeah, I'm going cool in the game, so I have blue one against you Because you yeah, so we agreed on four of five. Only because they're not a rock and roll band per se, Right.
Speaker 1:But I'm looking at their criteria, at the rock and roll hall fame's criteria. So I'm looking at that and I love cool in the game. Anyway, good man, yeah, I'm making an exception period for those guys. Yeah, are you kidding me? All right, so that's who we think, or that's who we would vote for. I'm sorry, so if we had a balance. So now here's the tough part who do you think is actually going to go in? And you get seven choices on this one, because seven get to go. Well, you already got my five. Ok, well, but who you think is actually going to get elected? Those five, ok.
Speaker 2:And cool in the game would be my sixth pick.
Speaker 1:OK, so you think you think you got that. So you got forner Frampton, you, you got cool in the game, you got Lenny, you got Oasis Ozzy and you've got one more.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I got Frampton, though, didn't I yeah, yeah, I got forner Frampton cool in the game. Lenny Krabitz, oasis and Ozzy. So that's six. You got one more that you think is going to go in.
Speaker 2:Kind of hard to say. I guess I would go with Jane's Addiction. But they're rock and roll band.
Speaker 1:OK. I'm sorry Now this is who now. Ok, so that's your seven that you think are going in. I'm jotting a note down here, Now who? This is who I think is going to go in. I think forner is going to go, I think Frampton is going to go and I think those two are going.
Speaker 2:One two or opposite one two. Well, it doesn't matter, yeah yeah, it doesn't how many votes against, what matters.
Speaker 1:But I think, I think that the roughly thousand member voting body is going to pull their heads out and they're going to get it straight this time and I think forner will get in, and I think Frampton will get in for sure, and those guys first off, they better get in because we don't know how much time Mick Jones still has. Yeah, first off, you've got two original members of forner that have passed away, ok, and Mick Jones is 80 years old and he's had a lot of health problems. So I mean he hasn't performed with forner, he hasn't. He hasn't gone out on tour with the band to play A, an on course set, let alone a full show in years probably been almost 10 years, wow, since he's actually gone out and been on stage with the band. So we don't know what his health is like. So, yeah, I mean I don't even know if he's going to show up if they get elected. I mean you would think I mean I don't care if they got to push him out in a.
Speaker 1:So here, but it would be nice to see the band perform and I know there's tension between Lou and Mick, but it would be that would be going to play the side for just one, For one night you know, a lot of bands put their differences aside for one performance, one performance.
Speaker 2:That's Hall of Famers. Yeah, really look at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some bands can't look. Journey didn't. I mean, steve didn't sing. He didn't sing with the band. Kiss didn't perform at all. You know who else hasn't performed? Jeez, there's, but there's been those kind of things. So, yeah, I think I think they'll get in, and I hope so because you've got these guys are getting older. Peter Frampton, he's dealing with a lot of health issues, you know, and now he. Now I think that the nominating body, which is about a dozen people, versus the voting body, they got it right. But this is kind of like oh well, we had, we invited Peter Frampton to come out and back up Cheryl Crowe when she performed last year after getting elected. Now, wait a minute, cheryl Crowe getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before Peter Frampton. And then to me, the adding insult to injury is having Peter Frampton play guitar for her with her. Are you kidding? So I think they're trying to come correct on that.
Speaker 2:I would make them perfectly good. I would be logical.
Speaker 1:So I think, okay, I think you got for her, I think you got Frampton. I think Cool and the gang's going to get in. I think Ozzie's going to get in. So that's four. I think Mariah Carey is getting in, I do.
Speaker 2:I think she's getting in.
Speaker 1:I think Cher is getting in. Oh my gosh, I do, I just I think so. Okay, now I got to go and find my seventh one, that's three, four, five, six, and I think go for Mary, go for Mary, go for Mary Blige. No, I don't, I don't. I don't think Mary J Blige I don't know if she's going to get in this time. I definitely think Mariah Carey is going to get in and I think Cher is going to get in. Okay.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to find that.
Speaker 1:Let me find that seventh one Based on that popularity contest. Yeah, you know, I think I'd like to see Lenny, but I lost my respect for Mariah Carey, I think he lost his respect. No I went.
Speaker 2:I went to go we went to go see her at Dr Stainham and she went and performed one song and left. Well, she's a punk, okay. So no, she's afraid of she's at stage fright. You believe that stage fright? I paid 50 bucks to see her play. Never again, mariah Carey. Okay.
Speaker 1:So here's my seven Mariah Carey, cher Forner, frampton, cool in the Gang Lenny and Ozzie.
Speaker 2:Those are the ones.
Speaker 1:I think that the voting body is going to.
Speaker 2:Those are good choices, Despite the fact that you're you know, half those bands are not running.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not the you know. So I would say. So what out of my five? One, two, three, four and five, I think what Forner Frampton, cool in the Gang, lenny.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I think all of my five got in, yeah, yeah, cause you picked Oasis and I didn't yeah, so I think all my five that I would elect are going to get in, okay, so now we've talked about the nominees. We've talked about who we would vote for yeah, and we've talked about who we think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is going to vote for. Let's talk about some of the biggest snubs. I'll let you go first. Give me, give me, give me one of your biggest snubs.
Speaker 2:That's just it. I don't really particularly have a snub because I don't know who's in and who's out. I mean, there's a lot of bands out there that I know.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they're in the Hall of Fame or not, like the Eagles, for instance, the Eagles are in Chicago's, in Chicago's, in. Okay, see, I know that, okay.
Speaker 1:How about? Well, let me start with this one which, okay, mc five, been on the ballot like six times, never got in. Now Wayne Kramer leads singer for the band. He just died, like two weeks ago, and then they didn't even nominate him this year, so now they're not even on a ballot. One drank Okay. So based on that I would say MC five is huge snub. How about this one? Sticks you sure? No, not in.
Speaker 2:Never even been on a ballot. That's done a snub.
Speaker 1:Never even been on a ballot.
Speaker 2:Really, really great record. Paradise Theater alone had 10 songs and they're really good. Are you kidding me? Yeah, so okay, renegade, how? About this one Boston, really, they're not in, never even been on a ballot.
Speaker 1:Great, great. Never even been on a ballot man. You've got the first two Boston records sold like almost 20 million copies. Okay, I think the debut album is Diamond, which is 10 million copies. You know, one of the greatest debut albums of all time. Every single song on that album got radio play. You know they're all hit songs.
Speaker 2:They kind of sounded the same Most of their songs, but we're good.
Speaker 1:And it's a groundbreaking record too. It's a groundbreaking record. Okay, how about this one? Ah, there, it is Bad company. Really Never even been on a ballot, never even been on a ballot.
Speaker 2:Not only that.
Speaker 1:Paul Rogers. Okay, paul Rogers, slash Bad Company, slash Free. None of it Not never, been on a ballot. That's criminal.
Speaker 2:See, orban Salon should have been in this year. Okay, where do we have? We had cool to gang.
Speaker 1:I mean, see some of those. This is what I'm talking about. So just those four, right there. And we're going to throw this one in as well. How about REO Speedwagon? Wow that one's not even been on a ballot. So REO Bad Company, boston Sticks MC5. But you've got Mary Jane Blyche, got Mariah Carey, you got Cher Eric and Rakeem Janadiel, connor, shadeh, tribecaw, quest One, two, three, four five.
Speaker 2:Seven, yeah seven, you got seven acts on there that aren't really rock and roll bands, right, and you've got five.
Speaker 1:Right, and then you've got five legit rock and roll bands that originated in the 70s and hadn't gotten any kind of.
Speaker 1:Rated in the 70s and have been long overdue and never showed up on a ballot. Oh shame. Never, ever even showed up on a ballot. Just those five right there. Let me think real quick. I'm thinking Warner was just, that was one of the biggest snubs ever. So OK, so that one's gone now. Now how about? How about bands that you think should go in but maybe will never make it? They'll never make a ballot.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I think they hopped up in my head right now.
Speaker 1:I probably, because it's really late yeah it's only 11 o'clock.
Speaker 2:It's actually one o'clock in the morning somewhere else and we're both really tired.
Speaker 1:We had a long day. I've been at 2 30 this morning, so anyways, anyways, well here, ok, here's one lover boy.
Speaker 2:Now, absolutely love that band in 1980s.
Speaker 1:Absolutely love that band. Yeah, huge songs, huge albums in the 80s and they're still performing. They're still out touring year after year. They're still out. They haven't made any. They haven't made out any albums in a while, but they have put out some singles, yeah, yeah, so they still make music. Yeah, how about as a solo artist, sammy?
Speaker 2:Hagar, yeah, yeah, solo artist alone Look at that Seven bands, solo artist alone.
Speaker 1:Sammy has never been considered. I don't think that either. I don't think lover boy will ever get in. Now. Sammy's in with Van Halen yeah, but as a solo artist I think Sammy is deserving as well. But I don't think those two bands will ever show up on a ballot.
Speaker 2:Well, I hope he'll get you next year you never know 15 acts, yeah, I mean those bound to be somewhere next year.
Speaker 1:But now, when you go back to this original five that I saw on the snubs, okay, let's look at Bad Company Now. Paul Rogers just released a solo album late last year, but he's not going to tour it because he's got a lot of health problems. He is I think it was he's had two heart attacks or something in recent times, wow, so he's not going to go out and tour. He's got health issues. Now. Bad Company, paul Rogers, so deserving of the Hall of Fame. How long are they going to wait? Are they going to wait till he dies? I think so Before they nominate him, before he even put that band on a ballot? That's what they did with yes For years. Yes got snubbed and then Chris Squire died and they nominated the band Damn. And then they got in. Yeah, you know, it's like band members have to die before they get before they get nominated.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's pretty unfair. It's just ridiculous. It's ridiculous is what it really is.
Speaker 1:You know, it just doesn't make sense to us as rock and roll fans, you know, and look, not all of these, not all of these bands do we go deep into their catalogs, you know, some of them were more casual fans of. But we recognize their greatness, yeah, and we recognize their longevity and what they have done in their careers and what that has meant to the, you know, to the rock and roll genre. So it's just, it's a little silly. I don't know I'm trying to think really quick Any other bands that I can, just off the top of my head, think of.
Speaker 2:Look everybody out, there You're telling us yeah.
Speaker 1:You tell us what you think Tell us who you want to see on a ballot. Tell us who you're rock about deep purple. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, deep purple's in, oh, they're in. Oh yeah, deep purple's in, oh tell us who your hall of fame snubs are yeah, leave them in the comments.
Speaker 1:Okay, and help us out. So, all right, we're going to call that one. We got our discussion out of the way, right.
Speaker 2:Certainly did.
Speaker 1:Look, this was just on our, this was, this was, this was on our minds and it was weighing on us and we said, hey, let's just go, let's just go get this done, let's push record. And you know, let's talk about this, let's complain, let's get a little upset, let's figure some stuff out, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So leave your comments, leave your rock and roll snubs and we're not saying we don't like any of the 15 bands, we're just saying that they should. They should, when it says rock and roll, hall of fame, you should be a rock and roll band. Yeah, to be in a rock and roll hall of fame. Make a hall of fame for R&B, make a hall, make a hall of fame for country and have the air where you have that Right, yeah, but they have that for country, why can't they have it for R&B?
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, and some of these bands that got snubs should be sitting in here right now, regardless, Well, like I said, all those bands, all those snubs right there have never had a sniff of a ballot, never. So it's just criminal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree, anyway. So again, this program is available on multiple podcast platforms like Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music and Spotify, or just search the Ben Maynard program and choose your option. Got several options, plenty of options to choose from, let's put it that way. But if you just can't resist the beauty that's on the screen and you got to watch us on YouTube, then please subscribe to the channel, give us a thumbs up and leave a comment. I mean, I said, leave those rock and roll snubs or hall of fame snubs, I should say.
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