As my wingman and I fire up the mics, we're not just talking about any band; we're unpacking the legacy of Foreigner, a group that's etched its music into the milestones of our lives. We swap stories that dance through the adrenaline-fueled "Feels Like the First Time" and the everlasting impact of their self-titled debut. It's not just a chat; it's a tribute to the anthems and ballads that scored our coming-of-age, all while we eagerly anticipate the thrill of their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nomination.
This episode is a treasure trove of nostalgia, woven with tales from our youth, like crafting makeshift drum risers and belting out Foreigner hits with more passion than pitch. We don't just reminisce; we dissect the band's discography, from the monumental "4" to the heartrending "I Want to Know What Love Is." Our discussion reveals little-known gems like Thomas Dolby's contributions, and we even pull out vintage merch to heighten the throwback vibe. We honor the unmistakable voice of Lou Gramm and the masterful musicianship that made tracks like "Urgent" stand the test of time.
Capping off the session, we relive the electrifying Foreigner concert experiences, from the "Mr. Moonlight" tour to the lineup shifts and the introduction of Kelly Hansen as the band's frontman. Our personal anecdotes of snagging autographs and bringing the next generation into the Foreigner fold round out an episode that's not just a look back, but a toast to the enduring power of rock. Join us as we celebrate Foreigner's indelible influence and the connections their music continues to forge, in a conversation that's as heartfelt as the ballads they're known for.#tellyourstory #familymatters #thebenmaynardprogram #classicrock #foreignerband #lougramm #mickjones #rockandrollhalloffame #coldasice #doublevision #urgent
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As my wingman and I fire up the mics, we're not just talking about any band; we're unpacking the legacy of Foreigner, a group that's etched its music into the milestones of our lives. We swap stories that dance through the adrenaline-fueled "Feels Like the First Time" and the everlasting impact of their self-titled debut. It's not just a chat; it's a tribute to the anthems and ballads that scored our coming-of-age, all while we eagerly anticipate the thrill of their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nomination.
This episode is a treasure trove of nostalgia, woven with tales from our youth, like crafting makeshift drum risers and belting out Foreigner hits with more passion than pitch. We don't just reminisce; we dissect the band's discography, from the monumental "4" to the heartrending "I Want to Know What Love Is." Our discussion reveals little-known gems like Thomas Dolby's contributions, and we even pull out vintage merch to heighten the throwback vibe. We honor the unmistakable voice of Lou Gramm and the masterful musicianship that made tracks like "Urgent" stand the test of time.
Capping off the session, we relive the electrifying Foreigner concert experiences, from the "Mr. Moonlight" tour to the lineup shifts and the introduction of Kelly Hansen as the band's frontman. Our personal anecdotes of snagging autographs and bringing the next generation into the Foreigner fold round out an episode that's not just a look back, but a toast to the enduring power of rock. Join us as we celebrate Foreigner's indelible influence and the connections their music continues to forge, in a conversation that's as heartfelt as the ballads they're known for.#tellyourstory #familymatters #thebenmaynardprogram #classicrock #foreignerband #lougramm #mickjones #rockandrollhalloffame #coldasice #doublevision #urgent
Thanks for listening! Follow me on Instagram: benmaynardprogram
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and I'll see you next time. Hey there, everyone. Welcome into the Ben Maynard program. Thanks for being here. Little bit of housekeeping to take care of before we get started. You see who's back right, my wingman, and I'll see you next time. Thank you for joining us in this evening but, as a reminder, this program is available on multiple podcast platforms like Apple podcast, amazon music and Spotify. Or, if you're a fan of Ben Maynard program, I know I do, and when spaz is on the show, he digs them as well. Last but not least, follow me on Instagram Simply Ben Maynard program. So with that, there are plenty of ways to take in this show for your dancing and listening pleasure and listening pleasure. And it was a great Friday night live and it was fun it, but we needed it.
Speaker 1:It was fun. You called in last week, you and Nancy were. That's what I do yeah, you and Nancy were watching and you were. Yeah having me drink Malort and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, everybody out there thinks seems to think that's a good idea. But it's all about having some fun. But we're taking a week off from Friday night live. We've got a good topic to cover this evening one of our all time favorite bands yep, foreigner.
Speaker 2:Am I right my my second favorite band next to journey, of course?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean they're all about it, and I talked about it a few weeks ago when we did the the rock and roll Hall of Fame nominees. We talked about doing a foreigner show and you know, I had been kicking it around and I thought, well, you know, if I do it by myself, I'm gonna have to write a whole bunch of stuff and make notes and all this kind of crap, and you do that anyway. Well, yes, and I want to take, I wanted to to jot all the information down. That way I there's a tendency for me to not forget when I do that, but when you're here, we just go off of each other. Things come in my head, I bring them up, you respond, you bring things up and I respond and I go off and do that.
Speaker 2:So Just, talk to them, just just the talking.
Speaker 1:It just was a have a conversation to dwa. אז having a conversation. You know, what we didn't even bring is water. Holy cowwe know we don't eat water. There's a lot of blood over if we need about tasty we why to? Really go, yeah, so no but, we talked about. We talked about doing this here, but we talked about doing this together, and why not Just like Journey? Fornner is one of our absolute favorite bands and we have a lot of experiences that we've shared when it comes to Fornner whether it's just listening to the music, going to shows, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And I think we're kind of on a Fornner frenzy right now, being that they were nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall fame, and so we're kind of ourselves too, we're riding that wave.
Speaker 2:We're rooting for them.
Speaker 1:We'd like to see them make it Absolutely, absolutely, and so now is a good time to get this out, do this show and talk about one of our absolute favorite bands Sounds good to me, and what I don't want to do is we're going to go through the discography, but we're going to do it conversationally, yeah, which is a lot different than I do it when I'm by myself, you know, and I give a little backstory and dates and all that kind of stuff and it becomes more historical, and I just want this to be more fun and conversational, just you and you and me. How's that? Yeah, um, so let's just start with where it all began for you, and then I'll talk about where it began for me with Forner, how they came on your radar.
Speaker 2:Well, it started with listening to KLO West a lot back in the day they played a lot of Forner especially feels like the first time. They played that song a thousand times and I ended up liking that song and before the album, the first album. It was a very good album, well done.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's where it started for me. It's listening to this radio station.
Speaker 1:Right there, there's the first album, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:The first setting, the first group of musicians. It's a gem.
Speaker 1:It's just a. It's a great album it's. You know, if you had to, if you had to make a list of, like the all time great debut albums in the classic rock space, that's definitely top 10.
Speaker 1:This is definitely top 10. This is one of them. Right here, this is yeah, this definitely has to be top 10. This is an absolute gem of an album and where Forner came on my radar from what I can recall is like when I hear. I want to say that I think, if memory serves me correctly, the very first Forner song I heard was called his eyes, wow. And I want to say it was like on K-Earth. You know, okay, for those of you outside of Southern California, k-earth is a radio station here locally. They've been around for years and years and years, but I think that's where I may have been.
Speaker 2:Well, we Well. Yeah, We've been here forever. Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1:But I think that was the first one I heard and I think I heard it in my mom's home or something like that.
Speaker 2:And was that K-Earth? It was K-Earth 101.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right right, and it was just a. You know, it was a great song. And then I want to say it was probably feels like the first time may have been the next one, even though I believe feels like the first time was the first single released.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, that's the first time I heard it Right Back in the same place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but and look, I mean for those who don't know, okay, there's a reason why the band is called Foreigner. All right, now, these days Mick Jones is the, he is Foreigner now, and but when the band got together, it was spearheaded by Mick Jones, and then you had Dennis Elliott on drums, ian McDonald on guitar, he was a little writing for them too when I was taking yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Ed Gagliardi on keyboards, al Greenwood was on bass and then you had Lou Graham on vocals and percussion and, yeah, and primarily, lou and Mick did the writing. But this was like almost. This was almost like a super group right out of the gate. You had Mick. You had Mick from Spooky Tooth. Lou was from a lesser known band, black Sheep.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Black Sheep yeah, they had a record deal and Mick had approached Lou prior to, you know, the band actually forming about joining, about coming in and joining a band.
Speaker 1:But Lou had this band, black Sheep, and he wouldn't leave it. But at one point I think they were supposed to open for kiss and I think they were in an auto, there were in an auto accident or something like that, and all their equipment got destroyed, oh damn. So now I mean, these guys are just starting out. They didn't have the money to replace their equipment, not right out of the gate like that, so they didn't get to open for kiss. And after I think it was a couple of weeks, a month or so, the rest of the guys in the band really started to get discouraged and Mick came a calling again and Lou was like well, you know, these guys are telling me I should get going. I should, you know, we're not gonna be able to put our band back together. So I'm in. And the reason why the band is called Forner is because it's an English band, except for one guy, lou Graham, who's from Rochester, new York, I think it is.
Speaker 2:It has to be rejected.
Speaker 1:So he's the Forner, you know, yeah, so I just always thought that was kind of cool. But man, what a group of musicians. I think it was I'll green, what was it? I'll Greenwood, or I'm just trying to Ian. No, ian McDonald. Ian McDonald was from King Crimson. He just had a lot of these. I mean, these guys were, were, were already established musicians. So To put an album like this together and this is one of their biggest selling albums I think the debut album is sold like six million copies, you know, as of I don't know, probably 20 years ago.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's sold more. It went quite. It went five times platinum, so you could imagine it's yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just just an absolute great album. But yes, we we don't have any shared Experiences with this one as far as, as far as shows or tours or anything like that we're not.
Speaker 2:we were still in great we were just a little young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were a little young for that place. I still like music, but, man, it's just such, a, just such a good album. What are? What are some of your, or a your favorite song on the album?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just told you what my favorite song was being like the first time that's your favorite.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite song on there, but all the songs are good.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's my favorite song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know, if you listen to it and maybe, maybe when we're done here we'll, we'll, just, we'll go on and listen to this a little bit, but it's good, sounds good, but it is just. Yeah, there's the big hits. Feels like the first time, long, long way from home.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, cold as ice.
Speaker 1:I forgot but but, but I what I did. Star writer, that's a Mick Jones lead vocal and what's really cool about this album is there. You know, because, like I had said in, mcdonald came out of King Crimson, a progressive band. There's a little bit of progressiveness on this album and I just thought that was really kind of cool. But star writer is just, I Digged that song and Mick just he does. It's not like Mick has this great voice, but you know, I think it was after I Think double vision was the last album that that Mick took any lead vocals and he had, I think to, two lead vocals on that one. I'm not sure. But but star writer, great song, I just I love that one at War with the world, that is, that's a killer song, killer song. And and and then I need you is the last song on the album we're gonna listen to this man, this is just some dynamite, dynamite stuff. So what do you, what do you recall about this one double vision?
Speaker 2:Double vision, my favorite song, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean it's like you get this great, you get this great debut album and then, a year later, man socket to me, man right in the face, and another I mean they just follow it up with this one here and it's just Killer they went seven times flat number in there or thing.
Speaker 2:We're the first time they've been up number three. And what does that tell you, number three? Yeah, you know, I'm glad, man, I gotta tell you blue morning, blue days a good song melody.
Speaker 1:That's a really good song. Yeah, that's a good melody. I think I Think when we saw them and we'll get into that show later but I think the first time we saw them they did blue morning, blue day. But Okay like back where you belong that's a Mick. Jones lead vocal on that one. Back where you belong and, and you and I, we talk about this sometimes. We had a childhood friend named John, and Rest in peace, john. Rest in peace, john, he's, he's just, you know, including you.
Speaker 2:Yes, hey, attention, yeah, we're bringing you into this one, johnny. But yeah, I mean we've lived that album all the time we bought he played that LP Over in his family room and it was right after John got his drum kit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, remember his parents bought the drum, yeah, and, and, and we set it up in his, in his family room, and I remember I wanted him to be like a rock star, so we got cinder blocks and we and we built him a drum riser.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Stood up about the drum rise. It's where the drums sat the whole side.
Speaker 2:I must have missed out on the drum riser, but, but, but back where you belong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was. That was one. We used to just crank all the time and and and John would always sing that. Really funny, he would see, john was a wonderful Multi-instrumentalist. He could play the keyboards, he could play trumpet and he could play the drums can't sing no. But. But he would sing that and, and and. The hook of the song is you know back where you belong, you know the title, and and John would say back where you belong, belong.
Speaker 2:Oh, remember that we're talking about it. It's so funny the way he would say.
Speaker 1:But, and, like I said, john's just another one of those childhood friends. I mean, if he's still here, if he was still here today, we'd say, yeah, we all been hanging out since, you know, for the last 48 years. But and that's no lie. So but, but, man, just some great stuff on double vision. Yeah, like I said you know, mix got another lead bulk with back where you belong, and then let me put my glasses on here so I can read.
Speaker 1:That's why I kept them on yeah, I know but then when I look over here it's fun, and then, oh, I have waited so long. That's another good one, just a real, call it melancholy, but just real good song. It's just a great album.
Speaker 2:Is this more of a rock and roll? I'm more of a Valentine.
Speaker 1:I think it's more rock and roll yeah you know you got hot blood with a great you are solo in it and that song is still hit and the thing about forner is Mick Jones is not known for his guitar solos, but but hot blooded has a nice guitar solo.
Speaker 1:It's not long, that's got a nice guitar solo in it, but you know you're, all I am is a nice soft Balladysong. And then I have waited so long. A nice balladysong back where you belong is kind of more of a it's a. It's not exactly ballad, it's a little more up tempo, maybe a mid tempo Tram and Tain, though that one. I have no idea what the heck tram on Tain means.
Speaker 1:But, that's like their progressive tune on this album. It's all instrumental and I've always thought that was just really, really cool. Yeah, just man, just good stuff, and I'm looking right here.
Speaker 2:Originally released June 15th 1978 man Just well, it took a 12 months man Just to get that out now. That's incredible these days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but you know what, though, back back in the 70s, a lot of bands, we're putting out two albums a year. You know you had Aerosmith doing it, kiss was doing it Now for me didn't put out two in one year, but they put out in back-to-back years. Trying to remember who else I was. Just, I was just thinking about this the other day. I think Van Halen did two in one year. I Don't know. I can't recall, but this is a foreigner show. So, yeah, here you go, but man double vision what I think we were.
Speaker 1:I don't know what we were like in the seventh grade or something when this came out, seventh or eighth, oh well, no, we were in the seventh. We just finished our seventh grade year, going into eighth grade, because it came out June 15. Yeah, so good stuff. But then you start to see, with the third album, you start to see the first lineup change in the band, and and that was when Al Green, I think Al Greenwood, was fired by Mick Jones. I think Mick fired him why?
Speaker 2:don't know, I wouldn't fire, I don't know. And you had two successful albums.
Speaker 1:So why would you fire? He may have left on his own accord. I can't really. He actually he might have left on his own accord, but okay, but. But with head gains, the third album, you had the first lineup. Change. Al's gone and they bring in Rick Wills on bass. Oh, base, and Rick Wills is you know? I mean, he was in the band Probably another 10 years at least, so he really established himself, and I always liked Rick Wills anyway, I always thought he was, he was a, he was a good vocalist. He provided great background vocals. I Don't know, though, what did you think of head games?
Speaker 2:So parka pairs the first two, but it was a good album, no getting wrong, I mean, but you know, comparing to the first two, but that one did go platinum two, five times.
Speaker 1:So I oh yeah, I mean, it's so like good album, so it's a good album.
Speaker 2:I mean I'll just say be comparing to the first two, that's. That's a tough come around to be a third album.
Speaker 1:It's good as far as, I guess, heavier rockers. As far as the songs, maybe not as as as heavy as the debut album or even some of the tunes like hot-blooded or double vision or even Blue morning, blue day, even lonely children, lonely children on double visions a great one, too great guitar riff. But yeah, maybe not quite as heavy. But I really really like the head games album. It's really really good. It's got my song, you know, dirty white boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I always thought that the I always thought the title track, head games. I thought that was just such a.
Speaker 2:Like I like the love that song. That's such a great song. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I mean, just the song itself is good song and and and women.
Speaker 1:Women's women behind bars, women in fast cars, women and wait, women in distress, women with no dress, women in aeroplanes, women who sip champagne I can't remember all of it, but it's something like that people.
Speaker 1:Leave it to the professionals and it's it's saying by Lou Graham, but it almost doesn't sound like Lou. So it's really really cool. It's just a cool groove. It's a good album and the band caught a lot of crap for that cover. They caught a lot of crap for that cover being a girl in a men's bathroom sitting on Well, she yeah, but she's not exactly sitting on it, it's kind of leaning on it, but she's.
Speaker 1:She looks like what she's doing. Looks like she's trying to wipe graffiti off the stall, Like maybe somebody put her phone number up there. You know, but? But they caught crap for that. Imagine, imagine with the, with the wokeness we have in today's society. Could they come up, they? Could they deliver that album cover? Probably not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way of the world is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but just, you know, three to me, to me, three straight bang I mean, I shouldn't say bangers three straight solid, solid albums, great albums, and then Then they come up to 1981.
Speaker 2:Game. I was the best one, the one that for the one that just blows everything out of water.
Speaker 1:You know, the one that, the one that stands up against. I Mean almost almost any album, especially of that era. Yeah, and and if not, the well, you got two absolutely dynamite albums that came out about a month apart, in 1981.
Speaker 2:And that was number one for quite a while.
Speaker 1:You had this one, and what was the other one that came out? Come on, come on, it's your number two. It's your number two.
Speaker 2:Don't remember.
Speaker 1:Escape.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's my number one journey out. This guy thinks it goes. He lives over here which is a foreigner show. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Thank you, this is a foreigner show, but now let's see. With now, with four or four. We saw another change in the lineup Ed Gagliardi gone in, mcdonald gone, so for now goes from a six piece band down to four. And then Mick Jones. You know they would just bring in studio music musicians to round out the sound, and remember they carried studio musicians on the road with them. Mark Rivera and Mark.
Speaker 1:Rivera would play guitar, he would play saxophone. They had Bob Mayo on keyboards and Bob Mayo is used to play with Peter Frampton. He was in Frampton's band but Mark Rivera has done so much stuff, but then Junior Walker play, play urgent, at least at the smaller point.
Speaker 2:That was awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, junior Walker yeah, he recorded the sax solo on urgent yes, and this album was the tour that Spaz and I was on. That was our first foreigner show and that was in 1982 that we were juniors in high school and kind of told the story before. But but we had come on, dude, we had to be like 12th row on the floor.
Speaker 2:We were six seats. We had six tickets. They were sick.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, couldn't believe it. You know, right on the floor. Like I said, it probably was 10th or 12th row and something we 1450 each Something.
Speaker 2:we now now it's more like 150.
Speaker 1:But I mean, at that time that was expensive. But, but. But what was so cool was something we had never experienced before, because, I mean, it was, it was just. It was just less than three years prior to that was my very first concert scene Kiss. Same building at the forum. However, I was sitting up in the Lodge section. You and I were on floor and too close to scare.
Speaker 1:And this is the yeah, and this is the way it used to be back in the 70s and the 80s. And when the headliner came on, anybody was on the floor, rushed the stage, so you didn't have a seat anymore.
Speaker 1:Everybody was in the aisles and the crowd in the stage pushing up against it, and you and I, we stayed in our seats and I think we even had aisle seats. But you remember that there were two guys in front of us, yeah, and one of their two buddies, and one of them was standing on the chair instead of standing on the floor.
Speaker 2:He was standing on the chair.
Speaker 1:He was blocking them and we're like hey dude, hey dude, and then, and then it was a few songs into it, then he fall out of the chair.
Speaker 2:We all started laughing. We started laughing. He didn't get back to what he did.
Speaker 1:That's what he gets he didn't get back up on the chair anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lock off our scenery.
Speaker 1:But.
Speaker 2:But not only now remember that man, what a great out.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. All right, come on what you got to give me a couple of your favorite songs on this album.
Speaker 2:Waiting for a girl like you, of course. Okay, and urgent of course.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, those are the biggest hits on. Yeah, well, they're also my favorites, okay, so they asked me to give you two, I think. I think I think Forna released four or five singles on the album what was urgent waiting for a girl like you. I think it was break it up and don't let go, where the main singles that went to top radio. Break it up, break, it's a good song. And then I think I think Luan was another song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that whole album was really good.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll tell you what every song. And I do. I mean I love urgent waiting for a girl like you. I'm waiting for a girl like you, spent 10 weeks at number two on the top 40. And you know what kept it out of the top spot Five of those weeks. Five weeks was, I believe it was hauling oats I can't go for that and five weeks was physical Olivia Newton.
Speaker 2:John. God rest her soul.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but you got like I'm gonna win, man lose, lose vocals on that song. That's just ill. Or he just like he is just going all out and and and I one of my favorites I like the beginning of the song. It's got a great open, it's got a great guitar solo and, like I said earlier, mick Jones is not known for his guitar solo. Borners, a band is not known for guitar solo. Woman in black. Oh yeah man, what a killer song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1:What a killer song.
Speaker 2:That whole album was great, even girl on the moon. They like the melody on that song. Girl on yeah, they're very last song, it's a girl, girl on the moon Every song on that album was really good, yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep. I mean this, this album. By itself, they could have released every single song to radio.
Speaker 2:I bought a bunch of singles. They could have stupid album. So it said all this money, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:But you know, oh, did you know, or do you know, who played the keyboards on this album? He did all the. He did all the keyboard and synthesizer work on this album. I can't remember who was completely unknown at the time. Some of you out there you might know.
Speaker 2:Leave a comment. Tell us, and we don't know, we're looking at the book. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:And when you look in the liner notes here you'll see Thomas Dolby. Yes, she blinded me with science, thomas Dolby, the one hit wonder, which is kind of cool because the album before head games. There's a song on here, blinded by science, kind of cool.
Speaker 1:But yeah, thomas Dolby played the keyboards and synthesizers on four or four and check this out, check it out I dug it, I dug it out, I dug it out. This is my, this is my four or four concert t-shirt. I remember that, yeah, yeah, and this was the backside of it, a little choo choo train. I don't know what the train meant, but but there and it's got the date on there January 29th through February, february 1st. So they had, they had what like three or four dates there at the forum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's sure it's over 40 years old. This shirt is the price you can hold on to it's 43 years old.
Speaker 1:43 years old and I dug it out. I dug it out. Catherine says oh, wow, that's a cool shirt. Oh, you're not wearing it.
Speaker 2:I know. I know you're not wearing my shirt.
Speaker 1:It looks a little small and I said oh yeah, I said I was a little small 1981. It's a medium, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're all got a little fatter and a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1:Cool stuff though, man. It's just so awesome.
Speaker 2:The last quarter shirt I had. We showed it. We saw the. We got into the park and landed by one of their shirts. I bought one and washed it. Everything fell apart. Yeah, that way, I still have that shirt.
Speaker 1:We'll get into that.
Speaker 1:We'll get into that. So so then you know nothing really to talk about with the foreigners greatest hits out of the foreigner records, but this is probably their biggest selling album in the catalog, which is kind of the way it is with a lot of bands when they release a greatest hit. Yeah, you know that'll, because because that brings out the, the casual fan, a greatest hits package. Does you know people that just want to hear the hit songs? They don't care about the deep cuts or the album tracks, that kind of thing, so they just want the hits and that's it. Yeah, and that's why, like I said, a lot of times.
Speaker 2:There was only like 10 songs on that thing as it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and song number 10 was Hot Blooded. The live version, which is just that's just stupid song, yeah. Yeah, it's still. Is they still play it Like you?
Speaker 2:said it's so, it's just stupid. Good, yeah, but that's what I meant. Yeah, no, no, I know that's what I mean. It's stupid.
Speaker 1:Good. So the next time, the next time spaz and I go see forner is for that tour right there, agent provocateur. That was the follow up to forner, for this was 1985. And I love this album. I just I love it, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2:It didn't sell nearly as well as forner, for or or even the first two the debut or only way to turn splat, so they kind of just steam away from the. That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:And it's it's kind of weird that it only went triple platinum at the time. You know, look, and we get a lot of our figures when it comes to discography. We get it from the same place you'll get it from, and that's Wikipedia. But the thing is is we don't. You don't know how old that information is, and it's probably. The numbers have probably changed, sure.
Speaker 1:However for for a band you have to. You have to pay to get your catalog recertified, and I don't. I don't know what the fee is, but it's an expensive fee to pay the RIA to to recertify your catalog. So but but you know what?
Speaker 2:we're going to stay with three times platinum, yeah we're going to do our best to stay with with any information that we're able to get right. With three times platinum, I mean that's still an accessible.
Speaker 1:There are so many bands out there that we kill to get to get one time. Yeah, hey, I'd like to go platinum on this show here, can you?
Speaker 2:give us a hand. Can you give us a thing, can you give us a thumb? I say, I say it at the end of every episode Tell a friend okay, but but so what are?
Speaker 1:I tell you what some of my favorites on this album are. I think that, well, I'll let you go first. In particularly you want to do you want to look at the track listing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Here I mean the long times of third this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, there's the track listing. Go ahead and look at that one and then, and then all to the nail that's.
Speaker 2:that was a rough song. I loved it. That's a great one.
Speaker 1:No, we love this, of course. Of course the big, yeah, the biggest song in the history of the band. I want to know what love is, and you would think that would push that album beyond triple platinum.
Speaker 2:She's too tough, she's too tough is great Good, she's great Good rock song.
Speaker 1:But and tooth and nail, what are it? It's such a great song to lead off the album with, and it's a heavy song. I I, I like one of my favorites Stranger in my own house Love it. Another great guitar solo by Mick Jones, and when we saw them on this tour, we saw them. We had floor seats again too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't think they were as good as our four or four seats, but we had floor seats again for this one. But and I think we talked about it before John Capri and the Beaver Brown band opened up this- this with the form again.
Speaker 2:If I'm not mistaken, this wasn't the way.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, beaver Brown. No this one was at the LA Sports Arena.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one was the LA Sports Arena.
Speaker 2:Correct yeah, but John Capri was really good that day too, yeah, oh, yeah, it's not in the set. It's a foreigner.
Speaker 1:But they played Stranger in my own house that night, and I just about lost my, my, my, I just about, you know, lost my head on that, and Mick just dragged out and dragged out that guitar solo, and it was so fabulous, so so good. Oh, you know what. I forgot to say. It, though, and I'm going to go back to four and four, because it's a great thing to bring up no, it is, it really is. We talked about Junior Walker on Urgent. Yes, we did, and when we saw them, junior Walker was out. He came out on stage and did the solo.
Speaker 1:And if you remember him and Mark Rivera because Mark Rivera was, like I said, he plays sax, he plays guitar and all that stuff he comes down and him and Junior are going back and forth and it was so good and you and I were juniors.
Speaker 2:I just can't remember.
Speaker 1:I can't believe you remember I heard the name Junior Walker before. I don't know who Junior Walker was, you know I, like I said, I heard his name. Yeah, to see these two guys going back and forth was just awesome. And what made me think of that is during this, during this tour in all the cities that that the band would would have a, would play in, they brought out a local choir to sing. I want to know what love is that's right.
Speaker 1:And yeah, they did that and that was amazing. I mean, they had I don't know 1520 people from from a local choir come out and and do and do. I want to know what love is, man. It was just so powerful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the background vocalist was awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what's what's? What's just really, really cool is, you know, lou Graham, one of the greatest singers in rock history, one of the greatest great voice, great musicianship and foreigner great songs, not known for harmonies. They're, they're not, they don't have. You listen to their songs, and I have harmony, that background vocals, but they don't have harmonies, and I don't know what made me think of this. I was, I guess I was thinking about it a couple of three weeks ago, listening to some foreigner. I'm going there's no harmonies, but, man, there's a, there's a background vocal here, there's a background vocal there, and it just brings everything together and it makes it just sound so good, so good. There it is again, so good. But yeah, you know. I think, though, getting back to I don't look, there are some great stuff on agent provocateur, and this kind of does get.
Speaker 1:There's other foreigner albums that really get lost in the mix, but this one kind of does get lost because most people just think of this album for one song, and that's. I want to know what love is, of course, but there's some killer, killer tracks on here. It seemed, though, on this one, the production was a little more polished or slick, I guess, because it introduced a lot, of, a lot of keyboards in this one on this album. But, wow, listen to that. I still love it, though I just, I just like it.
Speaker 1:And and one of my absolute favorite songs on here is the with track. Track number nine, two different worlds, starts out as a slow song and and and by the time it ramps up On the back half of the song behind a great guitar solo Another one by a band that's not known for their guitar solos it just kicks in two different worlds. Listen to it, check it out, you'll know what I'm saying. You'll know exactly what I'm saying and what I'm talking about. You do it too. Yeah, we're gonna do it after the show. That's what we're doing. It's gonna be a foreigner frenzy.
Speaker 2:That's our plan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once we hit, stop, that's it, it's all over. But the shock so. So I I don't know what that was, that was like 1985 for agent provocateur and the guys went on like a two-year break, and Now this one really Really does get lost, and that's inside information released in on the back, the back half of 1987, and and that's December. Does December they?
Speaker 2:say December.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, that's still poor for Harbor Day.
Speaker 2:Oh really, number seven Pearl.
Speaker 1:Harbor Day. Yeah, and the thing with inside information. Look, there was a lot of, there was a lot of tension in the band at that time, let's just say Mostly between Lou and Mick. Differences, a little bit of creative differences. Yes, there were a little bit of creative differences and some of it came from Mick like to have more ballads on the albums and Lou wanted more rockers. And so there was that difference in creativity there a little bit, but I think not only was it that, but there was some tension over the songwriting credits.
Speaker 2:For I want to know what love is, oh, really, yes, and in fact Go back to this here really quick.
Speaker 1:Let's see who gets the songwriting credits here. It should be. Oh, it doesn't say, let me see.
Speaker 2:Well, it does well, it doesn't say it on the song itself.
Speaker 1:So let me see if it says it's. Usually it'll say like oh, there it is. Yeah, you see. It just says Mick Jones and Lou Contends that he was responsible for about 40% of that song and they could never come together on that. And you can see Mick Jones is getting a hundred percent writer's credit and he only wanted to offer Lou like five percent, so it would have been a 95 to five percent split. And Lou just basically told him you know, stick it where the sun doesn't shine. He has every right to be upset about he's sung that song.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean he deserves a lot more credit. Five percent. Well, and we don't know, but he but he does claim that.
Speaker 1:You know he wrote about 40% of it. Doesn't matter if it was on the music end of it or if it was the on the lyrical side of it. If you know, you're coming together, you're collaborating a great song. You're coming together, you're collaborating, agree, but anyway. So so between creative differences and songwriting credits, yeah, and of course with their biggest song.
Speaker 2:I heard.
Speaker 1:I heard let Lou say something Barely recently that off of that one song alone, mix probably made like 30 million dollars. She's you imagine on one song. Are you kidding? Oh Geez anyway. So back to inside information. A great one. I Don't know how familiar you are with this one.
Speaker 2:I Am familiar, but I got my head.
Speaker 1:You're asking me to remember when I'm 40 years ago, so I'd have to pub angles with the the big the wall, the big single, the one that the big single was say you will, oh, yeah, you will say you won't. Yeah, that's just a great song. Yeah. But there's a lot of heavy stuff on this album the, the, the lead track on it, heart turns to stone pretty heavy.
Speaker 1:Pretty heavy. But then the next one, the one that follows that up, track number two. Can't wait. Man, man, oh man, I love I can hang on, I got. Okay, I gotta make a note here. I got to write these like songs down that we're gonna listen to in our frenzy.
Speaker 2:We're listening to whole city. I don't understand. Well, he's talking. I don't want to hear so much twice. I mean I can see that maybe can't wait.
Speaker 1:I got it's got to write him down so I don't forget. Okay fair enough, fair enough, wait. But the last time we were supposed to have a rock-and-roll frenzy after the show, we didn't. We sat here and talked forever, we didn't listen to anything, and then you went home.
Speaker 2:Hey, I would have sleep two hours before that. Give me a break.
Speaker 1:But but yeah, yeah, wait so it ah, so good, it's so good and and that's what I was talking about. Like these background vocals, they just come from here and come from there and and sometimes it's it's it's Lou doubling and not doubling up, but it's it's losing, and some of the background stuff as well, but just the other guys in the band is it just it's so good and if you listen to it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Our turn this sounds a really good sign.
Speaker 2:I like it. It is.
Speaker 1:That is and and saying you will is such a Catchy song. Yeah, it's such a catchy tune, I just dig it. I just dig it and. But you know they they've got. You know Mick got his way and there's like two or three you know ballady songs on here Counting every minute. Oh, that's such a good song. Even even the title track inside information yeah, good, it's. Just listen, folks, listen. I Don't care if you're a casual fan or a hardcore fan of this band. Check this album out. It is that good, it really really is. And it didn't get it's. It really didn't get it's. Just do On the top 40 radio side. It didn't say you will, and I think I don't want to live without you or like the singles to top 40. But but hard turn hard, hard turns to stone can't wait inside information. Those were all being played on rock radio, but rock radio doesn't drive the top 40 charts so much. So the album didn't get it's. It's yeah, it didn't get what.
Speaker 2:I only made it, only made the top 15. That's as far as it went.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh so, and I think it only went platinum I know it, only with platinums. Yeah, yeah, but it is, it's it really is good.
Speaker 2:I didn't get no fair play, it's it stands up with everything else.
Speaker 1:And you know what I remember about this. Okay, I Excuse me, tell me if you remember for a short time, I want to say two years, three years. It was Remember there was a, there was a radio station, it was like Chew 102 or something. It was like a disco station and Dan and, but in 1987, it was probably mid 87 they, they changed formats and it became FM 102. Now the program director and the afternoon jock, want to say the Rive time, jock, so that. So in radio speak that's usually from like two o'clock in the afternoon to six o'clock in the evening. Okay, um, was JJ Jackson.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I remember original MTV VJ for those of you who are of our age Speak for yourself which much, much younger.
Speaker 2:You're much pretty you're much more.
Speaker 1:What a bunch of two.
Speaker 2:No, we're both the same, but.
Speaker 1:I Remember hearing something Now you may remember this name to old folks Rick D's remember he was on. He was on kiss FM yes, which was a top 40. Yeah, top 40 station.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Rick had reported something about foreigner, that they were canceling the inside information tour, which I think they did. But JJ Jackson I'm listening to FM 102 and he plays one of the songs off of inside information that he back Announces the song and he says something about yeah, they're gonna be coming to town, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I thought, wait a minute, like two weeks ago I just heard that they were canceling. So, okay, like a dumb, 21 year old, 22 year old kid, I call the radio station and JJ answers the phone. I Said hey, jj. I said I, I Heard that. I Heard that forner was canceling their tour, you know, and he had just said that they were coming to town. He's like no, no, no. I said well, but I heard Rick D said and he got, and when?
Speaker 1:I said Rick D's, he lost his, he just flipped and he started screaming at me and cussing at me. And then he hangs up on me.
Speaker 2:Give me anything I be recorded. That would have been some.
Speaker 1:That have been funny. You know I didn't. I didn't, I Didn't get too offended. I did like JJ Jackson. You know he was. He was I mean he was a staple. He was on LA radio and KLS in the 70s and then I'm not sure where he was right before he went to MTV, but then he was like he was like the mentor to the, to the original VJ's on MTV. He was like there, I don't want to say the ringleader, he was their mentor. And Then he came back to LA radio. In fact he did bring Mark Goodman out for a while on FM 102, but that's what that went when I listened to inside information, bringing it back to forner, when I listened to inside information. That's kind of what I think of who?
Speaker 2:can blame?
Speaker 1:you. Right it's just funny. Um, so After that album Forner, well, they don't split up, but Lou Graham leaves. Lou Graham leaves the band, so yeah, canceled the tour. The album didn't do well, there was tension because the album wasn't selling very well and so Lou leaves. The band releases a couple of solo albums, great stuff. They did very well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, both.
Speaker 1:Of those solo albums did, and I think it was about 1990. Yeah, like 1991, mick, mick goes out and grabs a guy by the name of Johnny Edwards To take over lead vocals for Lou, and they released this right there. Unusual heat.
Speaker 2:I don't even think I own it now, and and.
Speaker 1:This would be Johnny Edwards one and only album with Forner and they. They had a kind of a minor hit. It was low, down and dirty, which is a good song. It really is. It's a good song. I enjoyed it very much. So it Didn't do a ton on on top 40 radio but it got played Fairly heavy on rock radio. And then I think they had another single they released I think it was all fight for you or something like that but but the album didn't do much at all. It just didn't. It just kind of Just kind of fell flat and and I'll be honest with you too, outside of those two songs, I have probably listened to this disc once. I have to be honest, you know as hardcore fan as I am a Forner. Yeah, listen to it like one time.
Speaker 2:Don't plan to listen to it again. All right, we won't listen to it.
Speaker 1:No okay, we won't listen to it tonight. No, now. And you don't own this one, right.
Speaker 2:No, I do not. No, no, no, lou Graham, no, bye, yeah, well, that's, I remember them.
Speaker 1:I remember them coming back in 92, 92, mick and and Lou kind of mended fences and I Believe at that time Rick wills left the band and I don't know if Dennis Elliott did just yet. But they did release this, this best of package, the very best and beyond, and Basically they're high there. They're featuring Lou and Mick. You know you've got a guitar player and you got a singer. So you can say from that point forward this band was, this band was Built around me and Lou, but the, the one song they the, the. The package had, I think, three new songs in the first string yeah, soul doctor, prisoner of love and with heaven on your side, and and songs two and three are kind of ballady songs, yeah, but the first one's a great Doctor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was good man, that one. Just that, this, that move, hold on, hold on soul Doctor.
Speaker 1:I'm writing down.
Speaker 2:No, so, no, so, you will not so.
Speaker 1:Okay, and.
Speaker 2:Just good stuff.
Speaker 1:You'll or stop, man, that is such a great song and I had tickets to see them on this. If you want to call it a reunion tour kind of whatever it was, whatever he was, you want to call it, and I it was on a it was. It was on a work night and I wasn't gonna be able to make the show and I gave my tickets to Matt Davis. Oh, what'd you?
Speaker 2:do that, for I don't know why did you call me house? Who in the hell's not Davis you?
Speaker 1:know, matt Davis, I know that's take our yeah, and we know that yes, we do, yes, we do but but yeah, I couldn't make that show so I gave the tickets and that was about that was that, you know. Then, right after that, for a released classics live, was it lover? Yeah, classics, classic hits live.
Speaker 2:That's a great package to yeah, yeah, but it's like so it's yeah, but it sounds so good though it's a good life band you know that?
Speaker 1:well, yes, they always have been, always have been. And then this is yeah, 1995, I think it was, I don't know something like 1995, 1996. I know you people and I just pulled it away again. I know you people don't even know about this one, mr Moonlight Yep, let me get the glare off of there, mr Moonlight.
Speaker 2:Under the gun. Good song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, under the guns, a good song, you know, I was actually just listening to this earlier and it's pretty good. But I will say that, as far as foreigner albums go, this one is a little. It's not I don't wanna call it mellow, but it's. But it's mellow, it's like foreigner light almost. It's not real heavy, Not that look, not that. Foreigner is just, you know, hard driving heavy band but they're a hard rock band and this is a little less than hard rock, not on a, not in a pop sense. It's just not as hard but it's. But it's good. But we saw them on this tour, Sweet, we saw them on this tour. It was boys night out. It was boys night out. You, you and me, Yep and John Yep, Our buddy John yep and Jake yeah, my son Jake. He was nine years old and that was his first concert. Remember where we saw it.
Speaker 2:They are not there anymore Universal Amphitheater, that's right.
Speaker 1:Universal Amphitheater and it's not there anymore. That was a bitch, that was a really really great place, great show.
Speaker 2:Great place for the show.
Speaker 1:You know, 6,500 capacity, I think, is what it was. Nice, just nice theater.
Speaker 2:Every seat was a good seat, but we had great seats. We were like fourth row for our right hand side. We had tremendous seats that night Again, we were so good.
Speaker 1:They were very good and remember it was a triple bill, it was cheap, trick Loverboy and foreigner.
Speaker 2:What a great show that was that night. Yeah, especially Loverboy, yeah.
Speaker 1:That was a great show. Great night of rock and roll.
Speaker 2:We gotta do a Loverboy show too, because we've done quite a few of their shows we do yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1:And they're gonna be out this summer. We gotta get some tickets for that. They'll be out with Sammy Hagar, so we gotta check that show out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I haven't seen Sammy Hagar yet.
Speaker 1:But that was cool. Jake was in awe at his first concert and, like you said, we had great seats. I mean, you know, talk about being close enough to scare the band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were pretty close to scaring them and Jake was high.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe I did. Jake was just. Oh, as a matter of fact, I let my nine year old son wear my 404 T-shirt and he wore it to the show. I took my program for Agent Provocator. Since we were gonna be so close, I was thinking maybe I could get an autograph on the program.
Speaker 2:Wrong yeah.
Speaker 1:But Jake Dugget, he got a guitar picker too from Rick Nielsen. It just was a great show, great set by Forner.
Speaker 1:They were loud, founding, so good they were really good but then, like I said this, there was a big change in the lineup. Another one Bruce Tergon, who actually had been friends with Lou Graham for many years, was in his first band. Black Sheep was now on bass, and I'm trying to remember who the drummer was. It wasn't Dennis Elliott. Dennis Elliott had left the band at that time and without tearing out the booklet and looking through, I just I can't remember.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 1:Was it Mark Shulman? I can't remember.
Speaker 2:It might have been Mark Shulman.
Speaker 1:Now you're gonna See. Now I'm gonna have to take out the booklet and look yeah, it is. It's just. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Right, that's right. Who sings that song? If you're gonna do it, do it right.
Speaker 2:Well, you, right now it doesn't sound good, sorry, come on.
Speaker 1:I'm a singer of songs.
Speaker 2:I'm speaking for Calvoni. He knows we sing the same thing.
Speaker 1:Is that? That's what you're saying? But, guys, I'm a singer of songs, oh no wait, wait, wait. Da, da, da, da, da, da da da, da da, da da da da. You know they actually do not credit a drummer on this album. Why, I don't know, it's, it's.
Speaker 2:I'm not the additional musician.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, but I mean, as far as the band itself, you've got Mick Jones, Lou Graham, Bruce Tergon, who's playing bass, and Jeff Jacobs it says piano, organ keyboards, background vocals.
Speaker 2:Obviously nobody wow.
Speaker 1:So, but I do think it was. It was Mark Shulman on drums but, he just. I guess he was just an additional musician.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it was just for that particular album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but yeah, mr Moonlight, definitely an unknown album, a forgotten album. It didn't even go platinum.
Speaker 2:It didn't even go platinum, I don't even think it went gold, it didn't go that either. Pointing to this is 136 is a referrsy gap.
Speaker 1:But then again, at that time you're talking 95, 96, the whole music climate had changed. We're on the back end of Grunge.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Radio completely changed and forgot about all these bands that we grew up loving, Just didn't play them anymore. So they weren't even. They weren't even gonna get air play on this stuff here, but but we saw them on that tour and that's that's where we got our beat up t-shirts Our, our, our, our, our counterfeit the best $10. I didn't spend Our counterfeit t-shirts that I think I still have it too. Just just have it and and and like. After I washed it, it all went crooked.
Speaker 2:So my letters came off and the numbers were all bad. It was just weird. Yeah, it wasn't sterical, I thought it was terrible, terrible. But let's go with one piece of one piece of thing and the whole thing came off, I think. I think in one scene.
Speaker 1:I think in one scene I don't know if it was in the under armor on the side, I think in one scene there's like a piece of fabric sticking out like they double sew it. And he took it out and double-shred it oh my gosh. Yeah, I do have that. I do have that t-shirt.
Speaker 2:We try to support the poor viewer trying to make money up. And look what happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got, we got screwed.
Speaker 2:We got kind of screwed these bogus t-shirts you know we didn't want to pay $45 for a t-shirt and more.
Speaker 1:Well, that was a good show, it was. And then, and then the unfortunate part is Lou started having health issues right after that. Yeah, he had his brain tumor and, and you know, he had his surgery and everything but it. It even through his recovery.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1:The meds that he was on. He put on a lot of weight. His voice changed, he had a hard time singing and we saw them a couple of times. I want to say we still did. We see them two times open for journey. I've got it. I just want to. It comes to mind that we saw them two times open for journey.
Speaker 2:I think so I just try to remember what you said Like on back to back years or something like that I think we did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get. We saw him out at Blockbuster Pavilion.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know which for everyone out there watching or listening there used to be Glenn Helen. It was where the us festival in 1982 and 1983 was held. Yeah, but um, yeah, I think we did it was it sounded horrible. It sounded terrible, but I don't think it was at that time.
Speaker 1:I don't remember if it was known that he came off of a brain tumor and was going through all this recovery and all that, but just remember, it just didn't sound good and I was like, oh my gosh, this is one of the greatest voices ever and he just having such a hard time with it. And then I remember seeing them at Pachanga Casino and it was just for nothing, by themselves, no opening, no opening act. And every time I would see them I would think, okay, he's got to get better, he's got to get better. And it just wasn't getting any better and it was just. It was sad to see, because I love that band so much, you know, and I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was Lou's decision, mick's decision, mutual decision or not, whatever it was, but Lou and Mick parted ways about 2004, 2005, right in that area. And that's when Mick brought in Kelly Hansen. And look, I've said it before, I've said it before on this show that Kelly Hansen does a fine job. He does a great job. He does a great job of singing that material.
Speaker 2:He's a good frontman. He is a good frontman.
Speaker 1:He really is, but well, you know what was it? 07 or 09 or whatever it was they released? They released Can't Slow Down. What year was that? 2009,. They released Can't Slow Down and I bet you all don't even know about this one. This is the last studio album by Forner. Now you can go on their website. You can go on whatever. I got mine at Walmart.
Speaker 2:Whatever place. Yeah, this was. I think this was special, walmart exclusive, I think it was. Yeah, your old pizzeria was from there.
Speaker 1:And but. But look, you can, wherever you buy your music, you can see a bazillion compilation packages from Forner, but that's what they are. They're all compilation's greatest hits, best stuff. You know this. That the other thing. Some live albums, so on and so on. But this is the last studio release, because this CD package here was it was Rematch, it wasn't it? Well, it was, it was, it was it was a brand new, all brand new CD, which was disc one, Disc two was was like the hit yeah re-recorded with Kelly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then the. The third one was a DVD.
Speaker 2:It was a live performance right, it was a really good performance too. I mean, I thought it was but this album didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it didn't do anything, and well, in 2009, nobody was selling music anymore, unfortunately. Yeah, but but the thing that for me as much as I absolutely love this band that I find troubling is that, look, we all know, mick is the only original member in the band now and he doesn't even play anymore. He doesn't play in the band anymore. He's not a part of the band, so to speak. He's on all the pre, all the the posters and the press and all that. But if you look at a lot of stuff, the focus is on Kelly Hansen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like he is now foreigner. Yeah, surface, but it's not to me. They've just become a nostalgic act because they haven't put out any material in 15 years and they're not going to no no, they're not. They're not, and I talked about it before when I ranted about farewell tours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's much crud.
Speaker 1:And that's kind of upsetting that. You know we thought we were seeing him for the last time and then now they're out again this year and you know we might be two knuckleheads that go see that show again just because it's a great bill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we, they do perform real well. I mean, there's a few songs I wish they would have sung, but yeah, we, we went with what they offered, and you know it was a good show. Yeah, just not a great show, for it would have been great if they played other songs that we liked.
Speaker 1:But right, they didn't, right, but it's but it's just now, it's just been, and those guys played. They played everything so well. They do a fabulous job, but it's just not that same band that we grew up with, because it's just, it's not a new grand.
Speaker 1:Since that final split in like 04 or whatever, it's just been a revolving door of musicians. The only stable one besides Mick and, like I said, in the last 10 years he hasn't even hardly been a part of the band is Kelly. Yeah, and outside of Kelly it's just been one guy after another. You know, like I said, a revolving door of musicians, and so it's just not the same band, and that's the thing that's upsetting. I don't know, I just. I kind of wish it could be like 1981, all over again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's back 40 years ago. I'm like right here.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, we bring you back, bring me back, we'd be 16 and 17 years old again. That wouldn't be so bad right? Not at all. You know a lot better shape too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you know. The bottom line, though, is we have so many shared experiences with one of our favorite bands, forner, and we still love this band, and we're always going to love this band, and it was so great and we talked about it a couple of weeks ago it was so great when they finally got their just due and at least got nominated.
Speaker 1:Now the you know Foreigners Manager and Mark Ronson. You know he's a record producer and he is Mick Jones stepson, but he's like huge in the music industry he is. They are out there just hammering home how badly Forner needs to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I don't blame them. I don't blame them for doing that because they're not going to go out and wave the flag. There's. There might not be a lot of other people that do, unfortunately, especially at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because for all that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, it's not a lot of Rock and Roll the last 10 years you know yes.
Speaker 1:So, but it's certainly nice to see one of our favorite bands finally get their nomination.
Speaker 2:Going up against a Murray J Blotch. Come on, Murray J Blotch is not Rock and Roll.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, actually you know what I found out since we did our nominees and snubbed show, we each selected five. Yeah, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame changed it. This year you can now vote for seven and there's exactly seven Rock acts on the ballot. So pretty much. But yeah, I don't know, it changed from five to seven. Sorry, murray.
Speaker 2:I carry. You are not a Rock and Roll man.
Speaker 1:Sorry, no Sorry, great singer. Not a Rock and Roll person, sorry, Foreigner, foreigner, foreigner man, such a great band, and they're going to be out again with sticks during the summer.
Speaker 2:I mean that would be a great show to see, but again they were supposed to not be playing anymore.
Speaker 1:It's a great. It's hard to support yes.
Speaker 2:To support for, and when they say, hey, we're no longer going to be out there, but yeah they are.
Speaker 1:Kelly stood at the edge of the stage and said that there he pretty much said that, he told everybody.
Speaker 2:He told everybody there, and I was there too, yeah.
Speaker 2:He told us this is going to be a last four, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We thought it was okay, great, and we saw, we saw history, but we didn't see. We didn't see Mick Jones either. We were looking forward to see at least see him come out and play me play La la la, play a song, Not the whole set, but I mean at least play a song, right, and the man. And the man never came out and that disappointed me a lot. Great. Well, for the money, we paper those tickets.
Speaker 1:Come on man yeah.
Speaker 2:We paid to see foreigner.
Speaker 1:But, you know, like I said, it's it's, it's one of our absolute favorite bands and it's just, it's these bands here, you know, that keeps us born, journey, lover boy. Yes, that takes us right back to when we were kids, you know, and a lot of good times. So that's, that's why I, why we hang on to these things here, you know, that's why, look, my kids for years have said dad, you're stuck in the 80s. And they they're. They're not being truthful when they say that because I'm stuck in the 70s and the 80s.
Speaker 2:I go, my big girl. They all listen to the journey. They love it. They love the 80s, they do not. They hate today's.
Speaker 1:But you and I both did a great job of parenting when we introduced our kids to this great music that we grew up on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, you'll agree out there. That's great parenting. Yeah, you know it is.
Speaker 2:Yes, it kept them out of trouble.
Speaker 1:Sure it did it kept us out of trouble and it provided us with a lot of good times, whether it was cruising up and down with your boulevard, running around on a baseball or football field or or you know what trying to get to the forum with a car. Well, that too, you know messing around on the beach, whatever it was we were doing, you know, running up and down the halls in high school, and it just, it always brought back and it still brings back just some great memories. And I'll say it.
Speaker 1:It's great music and great memories.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And couldn't be happier for foreigner. That's why they deserve this show and I didn't want to do it by myself and I had to do it with my wingman my wingman, you know I enjoy being here.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of fun being with this guy I've known for over 40 years and enjoying the same music and, and just talking about it, I mean just he said over 40 years 48.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, you know when he was 10, I guess yeah, geez.
Speaker 2:Man this is nuts, man.
Speaker 1:People aren't gonna believe we're that old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people look at it.
Speaker 1:I mean they're young, yeah, so they say hey, before we close this thing out, did you play?
Speaker 2:any softball this week? No, they clung the the rain.
Speaker 1:Oh, they close. The rain, the rain killed our season.
Speaker 2:The season's over, oh really. So we have started new season in the April.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:The rain's killed.
Speaker 1:They just said take the next few weeks off. Yeah, we'll start back up in April.
Speaker 2:Kind of good, it's kind of crazy out there.
Speaker 1:All right, how's everything else going though?
Speaker 2:Everything's good. So far, so good. Health wise everything's good yeah, just tired all the time. I wish I wasn't so tired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just the way it is. Yeah, and they had to deal with that.
Speaker 2:All right, well, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I was hoping that we'd get Nancy here today. She didn't necessarily have to come on the show, but she could have sat over here in the studio and watched us do this. You know, she could learn something. That's right.
Speaker 2:That's right, I mean she was used to her oldies. She never you know I got her into the rock and roll business with taking her to see Forner, taking her to see Pat Benetorpe, taking her to see Journey. She's never heard of that stuff.
Speaker 1:She didn't hear. I enter that stuff until 1985. That's right.
Speaker 2:When you guys started dating, yeah, then we ended up getting married two years later so yeah, you know that's right. That was awesome that was just you know I wouldn't take it all back. It was interesting. I still remember.
Speaker 1:I still remember that coming over to the house, that was when Lucy and Matt and Hav and me were all four roommates in one house and it was like it was like a party house.
Speaker 2:It was always a different time.
Speaker 1:It was always something going on, it didn't matter what night of the week it was. Yeah, good times.
Speaker 2:That's where I first tried Ace with mustard. And don't ask me, it didn't taste it okay, but obvious nuts he took me breakfast with eggs with mustard, and then he hated the fact that he hated being hot, so his whole room was always 38 degrees.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, crazy guy and he slept with a knife about this long.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know about that part.
Speaker 1:It was about that big.
Speaker 2:It was, you think, rambo had a big knife.
Speaker 1:Uh huh, yeah, remember the scene in Crocodile Dundee where the guy comes up with a switchblade. And Dundee says that's not a knife. That's a knife. Hav's made that thing look small. Well.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, anyways, we could talk about that all the time.
Speaker 1:We actually could, we could get those guys to come on the show. We gotta get those yeah.
Speaker 2:And they don't want to because they're worried about giving away stuff or bad stuff. That happened to them back in the day. But you know what we were kids I mean, we were kids, we did stupid stuff, we didn't, yeah, but we grew up, it was all mischievous stuff.
Speaker 1:We weren't out. We weren't out breaking into houses or knocking over ladies for their social security checks or anything like that.
Speaker 2:We were throwing lemons at cars and picking up cones.
Speaker 1:Maybe a little bit of that Picking up cones for no reason at all. Oh yeah, for our football. We were stealing cones to mark our football field.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, we did some dumb things, but it's just too bad that they can't come on.
Speaker 1:It was kids stuff they're. I don't know what they're afraid of.
Speaker 2:There's nothing to be afraid of. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I could talk about my life all day long. I don't care. I mean it would bother me. We're nice to you guys to know about it.
Speaker 1:We'll get those knuckleheads. We'll get those knuckleheads for a tough guy, we may have to pay them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we might have to.
Speaker 1:We'll have to bribe them with something. We'll figure it out that will sample All right. Well, look, let's, let's, like you said, we can talk about this all night.
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