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EP. 66 Foreigner's Rock Hall Celebration, Top 20 Song Journey, and Nostalgic Hits!
After years of sharing unforgettable moments as die-hard Foreigner fans, my buddy Spaz and I finally get to celebrate the band's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This episode is a reflection of our journey with Foreigner's music, where we share our personal top 20 songs from their iconic catalog. Ranking these tracks was no easy feat, as each song holds cherished memories that have shaped our love for the band. From the thrill of attending their concerts to the timeless appeal of their chart-topping hits, we celebrate Foreigner's enduring legacy in the rock scene.
What makes a Foreigner song truly unforgettable? Join us as we explore this question through the lens of our favorite tracks, from somber ballads to electrifying anthems. Each song on our list tells a unique story, and we dive into the nostalgia and personal significance behind them. Together, Spaz and I reflect on the dynamic soundscapes of hits like "Urgent" and "Jukebox Hero," while also shining a light on underrated gems like "Heart Turned to Stone." As we rank our songs, unexpected surprises reveal themselves, showcasing the diversity of Foreigner's music and the subjective beauty of these personal rankings.
Though not all original band members made it to the induction ceremony, we celebrate Foreigner's long-overdue recognition and savor the camaraderie of discussing our favorite tunes. We also muse about the current disinterest in new music from classic bands, while acknowledging artists like Cheap Trick and Styx for their continued dedication. This episode is a heartfelt tribute to Foreigner's impact on our lives, a journey through the music that has been the soundtrack to countless memories and an invitation for listeners to create and share their own top lists. Tune in for a nostalgic trip that promises to hit all the right notes.#tellyourstory #familymatters #thebenmaynardprogram #podcast #foreignermusic #lougramm #mickjones #jukeboxhero #doublevision #rockandrollhalloffame
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Hey there, welcome into the Ben Maynard program. Thanks for being here. Before we get started, a little bit of housekeeping to take care of. As you know, this program is available on just about every single podcast streaming platform that there is, so I don't have to name them now. Okay, so just search the Ben Maynard program and choose one of many options, all right. However, if you're watching on YouTube and you can't resist some of this and a little bit of that over there, yeah, thanks for being here and watching and tuning in, but first you got to subscribe to the channel, all right, and let's see what's next. Oh, then you got to give us a thumbs up and then you got to leave a comment. All right, love comments. I read them all the time and I, you know I reply to them. Last but not least, follow me on Instagram. Simply, ben Maynard program, all one word. So with that, plenty of ways to take in this show for your dancing and listening pleasure, and with that, you can see who's here. Back, by popular demand, yeah, my buddy Spaz.
Speaker 2:Hi everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a good reason why he's here today too Not just to see me, but to spend some time with all you out there, Uh-huh. And so what we're doing tonight is we, as you know, the two of us we're huge Foreigner fans. One of our all-time favorite bands, you know, going all the way back to the very beginning, We've spent at least two episodes talking about Foreigner. We may have spent more, but one of our all-time favorites. We've been to multiple shows to see this band and we love them to pieces. Well, one of our favorites is finally being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tomorrow night. So, as you know, when we did talk about them before, we were ramping up for them for the nomination and the selection. Well, now it's all happening, happening. So I asked spaz to come on the show and we're going to give you our individual foreigner top 20 songs. So what do you? What do you say to that it was interesting.
Speaker 2:I mean they had so many great songs. Yeah, really, really. I mean it was hard to put them in order from one to 20. But every one of my songs that I picked all of them could have been number one you know, as I was.
Speaker 1:We were talking a little bit, you know, before we started rolling, and I have a bunch of the Foreigner CD covers right here, okay, and so what I had done is I took them all one at a time, and I looked at them and just started getting used to this. You know remembering. Obviously, if you're a big fan, like us, you remember. If you remember eight of the ten songs, no problem, you could name them, but there's always one or two that you forget about, so I wanted to go in and have a good reminder of each song on the albums and start crafting my top 20. What you said, though, it was brutal, for me songs that I really do.
Speaker 1:Like that was hard to put one to 20 together, hard to say, hard to say this yeah, exactly this one's number 20 and this one's number one, and it's like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna set this, I'm gonna set this keyboard over here, it's in the way. But yeah, it was, uh, it was, it was brutal. I mean, I started, I started with, uh, I don't know, I think like 38 songs and you got to whittle that down.
Speaker 2:They did. They did 47 total. They have 47 total hits. I think that you had to choose.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know it. Just it's a lot. And, and and when you go through them. Oh, before we go on, if you hear any little background noise? We got a party going on downstairs I don't know, catherine, and our friend Christina and brother Jim. They're down there whooping it up while we're up here working hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but free for free, no pay, no pay, no pay. We're giving you free entertainment.
Speaker 1:Yes, but yeah, it was really, really brutal, and just not only that, because what I did is I took the albums and I said, okay, what are, like, my favorite songs? Instead of like, okay, which ones do I like? It's like, okay, what are the favorite songs? Maybe one album had five, one album had three, maybe there was only two off of one, I said, okay, these ones out of all these definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, would be in a top 20. Yeah, so that's how I ended up with 38. Wow, and then, and then it was like, okay, now we gotta whittle them down. So it was, uh, it was brutal. And to what you said yeah, I mean, just about any one of these songs could be, whether it's number one, or maybe it's not number one, but it could be on the top five.
Speaker 2:It could be somebody else's number one, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know well, speaking of that, speaking of somebody else's number one, it was a few weeks back. I took the Foreigner albums, the studio albums, and I ranked them. I did my ranking from the took the foreigner albums, the studio albums, and I ranked them. I did my ranking from, uh, you know, the least favorite to the favorite. And um, my favorite was, um, uh, foreigner four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, right, I mean wheelhouse, right, right.
Speaker 1:I mean and the biggest album in their catalog and just I mean crazy good album. But that was my number one and I had somebody comment on the show on the episode and he very nicely put his list together too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I must have missed it.
Speaker 1:He gave me his list and he didn't agree with me, but he made some really nice comments, gave me his list and his number one was Head Games. Ooh, yeah, yeah, that one really kind of for me when I saw that it came out of left field.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was more of the old foreigner going back. Oh yeah yeah, versus the 1980s, when we dealt with foreigners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you can see there's my foreigner concert T-shirt. That was the show. That was our first foreigner show that we went to together 1982 at the Forum, I think it was like February 1st or February 2nd 1982.
Speaker 2:We were on the floor, weren't we?
Speaker 1:We were like 10th row, yeah, center, that was awesome. That was that was awesome. That was so good. So I dug it out. You know it's been on the show before it's made appearances, but I dug it out for this and uh, um, yeah, this was. It was brutal. But when you go through you realize just how much fabulous music this band has, and you know what.
Speaker 2:Memories too. I mean, there's a lot of memories come out of some of these songs. Yeah, yeah, Especially Urgent and I won't repeat that.
Speaker 1:And you and I we've talked about that in the past listening to whether it's Journey or, in this instance, foreigner, and when we go back and listen to the stuff, or just like this and putting a list, these memories that you and I have, just our high school days and going to shows, and you know, like we've told the audience before, if we didn't go to the show together we were running into each other Either way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just good stuff. But you know what? Look, without further ado, let's just dive into this and let's get rolling, okay, because I am really excited to hear your top 20. I can't wait to hear yours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you're going to like. It's going to be interesting. You're going to give me some crazy looks. Hear yours. Yeah, I think you're going to like. It's going to be interesting. You're going to give me some crazy looks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. But yeah, we'll get into it and, as in true form, the guest will always go first.
Speaker 2:So we'll start at number 20.
Speaker 1:We're going to start at 20, and then we're going to work our way right up to number 1.
Speaker 2:Okay, my 20. My 20 was Break it Up Off the 404 album. Yeah, that is a good song.
Speaker 1:I think that was the 4th and final Single Of the album.
Speaker 2:Wasn't there 5? I thought there was five On one side of that album.
Speaker 1:I mean it had different songs. Let's put it this way that album top to bottom. All ten of those songs are just dynamite. Anyway, there's not a clunker on there, it's just a fabulous album. So you got Break it Up for number 20, right, that's correct. Okay, was there okay, before I give you my number 20, was there a special way that you looked at the songs and decided okay, number 20, here's number one.
Speaker 2:Like I mentioned to you at the beginning, every song on this list should be number one. But yeah, I'm trying to. Like you said, you had to go 38 songs and try to figure out which one's going to be on my list. Well, same thing for me. But you know, I look at this and I go.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and for me it's like I feel bad. It's like, oh my gosh, this song is number so and so, oh my, I feel so bad, it should be higher. You know, I start to feel guilty you know, it's. It was difficult to do that. All right, so for me, my number 20, to start things off off of the debut album Cold as Ice.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, 20, huh.
Speaker 1:Wow, although you know what, I'm not surprised that it's down at number 20, because that debut album even though there are, I mean, I think, the hit songs, were long, long way from home, and feels like the first time in cold as ice, there are so many tremendous songs on that album and and really, um, cold as ice is not even my favorite song on the album. So, yeah, so it's just, could it? I mean, like you said, any one of these songs is probably number one on someone else's list out there. Yeah, and Cold as Ice, I'm sure is number one on a bunch of people's lists.
Speaker 2:It's our personal list. It doesn't mean that ours is better than yours. I'm pretty sure that you have your own list.
Speaker 1:No absolutely not, man, and they're obviously, like you know, to what you said. There's no right or wrong in this, it's all just your opinion. And these are all fabulous songs. And if, if we could, you know, if the game was to do a top 40 songs and we would do 40 of them. But no, and we still do 40 yes but to make the exercise difficult we got to whittle it down to 20. Yeah, that's going to be hard.
Speaker 2:All right, let's go with number 19. Number 19 was that was yesterday off the Agent Provocative. Yeah, good one.
Speaker 1:That was the follow-up to I Want to Know what Love Is. Yeah, yeah, good song, good good video. Real popular video on mtv too.
Speaker 2:yeah, that was a good one, um that one was that album was surprisingly popular for, yeah, not as popular as before no, but but that album that was um.
Speaker 1:I mean, the band always had some keyboards, but they got more heavily, they were more heavily into synthesizers on that album.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Than the previous four albums for sure. So All right, so that one that was number 19,.
Speaker 2:right yeah, what's your number 19?
Speaker 1:And that was what was that. Again, that was yesterday.
Speaker 2:That was yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, all right, my number 19 off of Double Vision, hot Blooded. Wow, yeah, I know, wow, wait a second. Those two songs You're like what are you doing, dude?
Speaker 2:Those two songs alone. I mean Cold as Ice, hot, blooded. Those are like two of their biggest hits.
Speaker 1:I know, I know Because I know, I know, I know, and you ranked them 19 to 20? And honestly it's not. It has nothing to do with how popular those songs are, because for me those songs don't have a burnout factor and I love those songs. They wouldn't be on my top 20 if I didn't love them.
Speaker 2:They played them on the radio all of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're, like I said, like with Cold as Ice on the debut of the time. Yeah, but they're, like I said, like with with cold as ice on the debut. There's so many other songs on there that I just absolutely just uh love so much more, and the same thing with with uh, this one here on on double vision.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I can understand your choice, but I mean compared to my list I think well, what though?
Speaker 1:When you and I do this stuff, usually we're pretty different.
Speaker 2:We get maybe one or two, we're lucky we get one or two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're pretty different. All right, so number 18 for you, number 18 is Say you Will.
Speaker 2:Oh man that was off the inside information. Yeah, what a great song. Yeah, that had a good melody. It has such a great hook too, and I bought the single on top of that.
Speaker 1:Of course you bought the single. Why wouldn't you? I bought the single on the album. I bought the single as well. Mr Singles, of course you bought the single. Yeah, lots of singles Lots of 45 picture sleeve too right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, of course it went on my wall.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep. Okay, so my number 18 off of foreigner four is woman in black.
Speaker 2:Oh, good song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love the. I love the uh, the opening to that song and it's got a crazy guitar solo from Mick. It's just, it's a. Yeah, I just love it. It's a good song.
Speaker 2:So, good. I like that song too. I don't know if anybody listened to it. Okay, all right Going into number 17,. It was Until the End of Time with Mr Moonlight. Oh wow, that's a really good song.
Speaker 1:Wow, it is a good song. I don't know if I should. Okay, I'm going to. I'm going to say this right now, in all transparency to everyone watching, everyone listening Um, every song on my list is from the first six foreigner albums, and it's not because I have anything against unusual heat or Mr Moonlight or can't slow down. Those all have good songs on them, but there's not one song on those three albums that would be on a top 20 list for me. So that's, you know, that's how I view it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again, like I said, there's 40, 50 songs that we would be able to do a top 50, and all of them make it Right.
Speaker 1:There's going to be somebody out there that might be screaming at me right now too Well.
Speaker 2:I'm not screaming at you. I believe the baby in you, but I'm not saying that either.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so that one's number 17 for you right? Yes, it is my number 17 comes off of Double Vision and it's Back when you Belong.
Speaker 2:Back when you.
Speaker 1:Belong. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that song for me that just holds such a special place for me. It's a good song too, it's just, it's uh it's uh, they remind you of something or somebody.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I know it reminds me. I'm asking you, I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, no, we've talked about this. It reminds me of johnny, you know, okay, and the way he used to sing the hook on it. You, because he was a drummer and a trumpet player and a keyboardist. Yes, he was very good at all those, but a singer a singer of songs he was not, and he would sing the hook and he would sing Back where you belong belong, belong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I now remember. Yeah, that was back in the day.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we would crank that song along with the rest of double vision, but that was the one that always stood out for me because of the way John would sing it, so this is a good one. Oh, yeah, yeah, I may. Maybe you're watching this one, johnny, and you're having a giggle with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's probably sitting there going, he's nuts, that's not Johnny and you're having a giggle with us?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's probably sitting there going. He's nuts, that's not top.
Speaker 2:All right, so you know Number 16. For you, number 16 was Nightlife. Oh man, and 404, that one was just downright good.
Speaker 1:And what a great opening track to an album. Man, it just, you know, back in the day we were dropping the needle or popping the cassette in our car stereos, but, man, you push play on that and then, bam, that, you know, just hits you in the face. That's such a good song, such a good one. Okay, so what's your 16th? 16th from me, and this one's gonna, you're gonna like, shake your head too. Tramontane off of Double Vision.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to shake my head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the one instrumental, the only instrumental that the band produced on an album you know, a studio album.
Speaker 2:Something about it. I love it, love it love it.
Speaker 1:I can just play it over and over and over again. I remember that song. It's the second song on side two on the album youngsters. Second song on side two, right behind Double Vision. Okay. I hear you now Good one, so good, it's just man, all right.
Speaker 2:So we're up to 15. Yeah, 15. The Soul Doctor, by the very best of beyond. That number one track really gets you. And then the three songs they included on that album and then of course put all the greatest hits in there.
Speaker 1:But that song starts off everything. Yeah, what a great hook and Lou is just oh, he's killing it. You know it's a good upbeat song, it's got a great groove. Love the lyrics. And Lou is just. Lou was, I mean he's still amazing, but no, he was ultra amazing back then and yeah God, what a good song. So number 15 for me. Can you hear them?
Speaker 2:they're having more fun than we're working yeah, um number 15.
Speaker 1:For me, I think this is the first one that you and I actually both have on our list.
Speaker 2:Nightlife okay, yeah, again just a dynamite. Dynamite opening song got a great guitar.
Speaker 1:I actually both have on our list. Nightlife, oh hey, Okay, yeah, Again, just a dynamite opening song Got a great guitar solo in it and the one thing Foreigner didn't have a lot of guitar solos and when they did they weren't always necessarily like I don't want to say an extended guitar solo, but you get in there for 20, 30 seconds on a studio version of a song. It wasn't very long.
Speaker 2:They did do more of that when they did their live show.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, than they do the rest of the year.
Speaker 1:I'm going to talk about that too. But yeah, so that's my number. 15 nightlife what? Just a killer song.
Speaker 2:My 14th song is Heart Turned to Stone. My Inside Information album.
Speaker 1:Oh man, and another great opening track to the album too. That was a good album. And that Inside Information album is so underrated, so underrated, is so underrated, so underrated. But man, front to back, just like most every foreigner album, front to back dynamite, yeah yeah, it's just good stuff. So, number 14 for me and you're probably going to want to reach across the table and hit me Nah, long, long way from home. Oh, that's a good song.
Speaker 2:That's a great song. That's a good song. That's a great song that's good.
Speaker 1:It's just a great song what was that?
Speaker 2:what album did I come off? That's off the debut yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I think it's.
Speaker 1:Uh, I think it's the. If you have the album like us old guys do, I think it's the first song off of the second side it's oh, yeah, this one, yeah, this one here.
Speaker 1:Let me see, I look at this. We both got glasses, but a bunch of geezers. We can't see nothing. Oh, actually, no, no, it's, uh, it's song number. Wait, one, two, three. Yeah, I gotta count because the right the print is so small. Yeah, it is small. Let's see one, two, three, four, five it. Oh yeah, it is, it's song number six, so it would be the lead track on side two. There you go, yeah, okay now, but but that's a good one. I love that. Just the, the opening to that and the. Uh, just, it's so good. I love the lyrics. Um, I left my hometown for the apple in decay. That's great, that is so great. You, the way Lou just delivered that line. Good stuff, all right, we're up to what? Number 13, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, number 13 was Say you Will. No you already had. Say you Will no, you said number 13, didn't you? Yeah, well, that's the number 13, Say you Will.
Speaker 1:I thought you had 13,. Say you Will yeah, well, that's the number 13. Say you will no, you're 13. Say you will way up there, because I talked about the hook in it. You can't have it on there twice. All right, although Wait a minute. Yeah, I do have it on twice, trying to sneak an extra one in there. Well hey, the song's that good, it deserves to be on the list two times.
Speaker 2:Well, I did this during work, guys, so I mean, it was like I got around and took a look at these.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's that I'm going to give you a little bit of instead of holding back. That song is on my list. I almost put it on twice too, because I almost included the acoustic version also. Oh, okay, yeah that's right, because the acoustic version with Kelly Hans hansen on vocals that is such a great version of that song and so yeah, I almost did put it on my list twice.
Speaker 2:So just because you put it on twice, okay, well we'll, so you will go with your 13 and we'll just keep going oh, we can just say yours is the acoustic version.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, we're cheating now, now that we can't see, we can't read, we're cheating, right anyway okay, so number 13 is a song named after yours truly off of the head games album dirty white boy we used to call you that too, back in the day, when we sung that song.
Speaker 2:We sung it to him.
Speaker 1:Amongst other things.
Speaker 2:No, that in particular.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but what a just great song it is. It's such a good song and you're going to hear that on every single song we give to you You're going to hear those same words. It's just so, so good, just, yeah, great lyrics. And I like that scream to end the song by Lou Just yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:that ends the song.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, good stuff. Right, so we are up to number 12.
Speaker 2:I don't want to live without you from the age of Evagantor no no, I don't want to Live Without you is off of Inside Information. Are you sure? Yes, okay, anyways.
Speaker 1:But it's a good song.
Speaker 2:Wrong album or not, that is a really good song. It's a good song.
Speaker 1:Let's see, check it out, check it out, let's see. See if it is. I don't think it was one of the new songs off of Best and Beyond. Oh, no, it is Best. And Wait, no, that's song 14. Inside Information yeah, right there.
Speaker 2:Why are these things so small?
Speaker 1:This one's a little bit larger, yeah, anyway. But that's a good one though. Yeah, and that was, let's see. I think, like I said, inside information is such an underrated album, but they released, let's see. I think they released four singles off of it, including the title track. Um, I think it was four.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was one of them, that was.
Speaker 1:I think the second single. I think that was four, yeah, and that was one of them. That was, I think, the second single. I think that was the follow-up to Say you Will, but yeah, good song, and that was yesterday.
Speaker 2:I mean, that was a really good album Really, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my number 12. My number 12 comes off of the Agent Provocator album and it starts off the album and it's Tooth and Nail.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's a good rocker.
Speaker 1:Oh man, another one. You know this band and their lead tracks. You know the opening tracks on their albums is so good. Yeah, they get your attention.
Speaker 2:And they just, man, want to listen to the rest of them punch you in the face so good.
Speaker 1:That's such a great song and I remember getting uh, I believe I got the cassette before I got the album, oh, and. I remember putting that in my car stereo.
Speaker 2:We spent a bunch of money on that oh yeah, oh yeah, we did, wow.
Speaker 1:And then I remember just hearing those first couple notes Na na na, na, na, na, na, na, na na it was like some heavy breathing behind it.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry I'm not doing it justice here, but if you know the song you'd catch my drift. Yeah, it's just dynamite, man dynamite. It was such a killer song and when we we had seen him on that tour and I was just like, come on, you got to play that song and they busted out another one off the album that was just equally as as tremendous, and I'm sure we're going to get into that one too. So yeah, so Tooth and Nail is my number 12.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm going to a number 11 now, or am I? Saying yeah, you're on number 11, right, or did? You just no, I'm on number 11. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I want to know what love is. Oh yeah, it's your pocketer, right oh?
Speaker 1:yeah, the song that broke up the band. I mean, I didn't break up the band but cost so much dissension. And yeah, kind of pretty much broke up the band yeah. But a great one at that man. Just a great song man. I remember when that came out and it just what a vocal performance by Lou.
Speaker 1:And I'm saying that over and over again because Lou, he had a voice, I'll tell you one of the look, in my opinion and you know, my number one has always been Steve Perry, but my gosh, lou Graham is right up there. Lou Graham is probably top. You know three, four, five. He's not outside the top five in rock singers at all.
Speaker 2:I would agree, I would agree with that. Absolutely Fabulous.
Speaker 1:Oh man, and he delivers such a, such a, a passionate vocal on that. You know, man killer. He put his heart into that song, yeah, yeah. And what a great video too. Yeah, especially when the choir comes in at the end and then even Jennifer Holiday, she belts a little bit out.
Speaker 2:It's just so good, you have a good memory because I know he's a good memory. I'm getting older. I'm older than he is. He's a year older.
Speaker 1:Actually we may have to sing a little happy birthday to him, because he's got a birthday coming up next month?
Speaker 2:Not yet, not yet. I'm out of the hurry to turn 60.
Speaker 1:Right in about 20 days, 21 days that's three weeks About three weeks, three long weeks. That's right. That's right which number yeah, number 11, right, number 11. I'm up to number 11. And my number 11 is Say you Will.
Speaker 2:Oh, again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, that's three times in two lists, oh man.
Speaker 2:That song's pretty popular because we keep talking about it.
Speaker 1:It should have been number one right, it could have been number one in every list. Man, yeah, you can't say enough about that song and any more about it and it's so hooky and um. If you guys are not familiar with, say you will just go play it. Find it and play it. Do you like? Put it? It's right here. It's right here on your phone. You know it's on your computer, whatever, just go look it up and listen. It's such a great song you need to sing along.
Speaker 1:I'll send it to you yeah, I'm not playing anymore, so 45, just put your address in the comments, we'll send it to you it's in good shape too, believe me, and then you can take a picture of it hanging on your wall, like he would post them on his wall, and then you can send it to us. Okay, so that's my number 11. So, hey, we're breaking the top 10.
Speaker 2:Here, brother, we're breaking the top 10. My top 10, it actually is interesting. It's winning for a girl like you and that made 10. It's Winnie for a Girl Like you.
Speaker 1:I've performed for her, and that made 10.
Speaker 2:It could have been number one too, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, there's a couple of songs that you've already mentioned and I'm just like shaking my head and going wow.
Speaker 2:It didn't make your list.
Speaker 1:I didn't say it didn't oh.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just saying, if you're surprised it didn't make your list then it didn't make your list.
Speaker 1:Well, in all honesty, it didn't make my list. Oh, my goodness, and you know what that's like a tough song. If the list was 21, it probably would have been 21. But what a dynamite song Fabulous song Wow. And when we're done, here'm gonna explain how I did my ranking, and so I'll explain how it didn't show up on the list. Because it deserves to be in a top 20? Sure, it deserves to be. That's why it's on well.
Speaker 2:That's why it's on my top exactly, exactly. So, uh, my number 10 is urgent ah, good song and yeah, just what I love that saxon, that that little sack that junior walker did on that song yep, junior walker was awesome. He tore it up when we saw man.
Speaker 1:he really tore it up, played a nice long extended solo and then mark riviera jumped down off of from from the back part of the stage. He jumps down and he's. Him and Junior are just going back and forth on saxophone. It was man, it was great and, you know, for a couple of 16-year-olds at the time I mean, didn't learn to appreciate that type of music until now, but you know for us to still be able to remember it and hold on to that and remember how good that was.
Speaker 1:that's what living a clean life is all about, youngsters. Just letting you know, okay, and I'm serious, Coming from the dirty white boy. Living a clean life, says the dirty white boy. White boy, that's right. Sorry, I had to say also save it for later all right, all right, we're up to number nine oh, number nine for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jukebox, hero off the four in the four album oh, when they put the big jukebox up and they're singing that song. It just it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, they're singing that song. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, they're willing to go see the shows.
Speaker 1:It kept pumping up, and pumping up, and pumping up and I think by the end of the guitar solo then it was fully filled up and then, as the song ended right, that last drum beat guitar stroke of the guitar, the thing blew up.
Speaker 2:Yeah's great, yeah, great stuff. Yeah, mick jones really played. Played that guitar in that song.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, he did that was his song where he he just really extended the guitar solo on that and uh, yeah and that could be number one for me too.
Speaker 2:You're just just so many songs that it was hard to to. I agree to put it anywhere, totally totally agree.
Speaker 1:So with that, my number nine. I promise you this one's not on your list, Just like I knew tram on Tain wouldn't be on your list, yeah. Yeah Off the debut album Star Rider.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's not on my list. It's a good song, but it's not on my list, mick.
Speaker 1:Jones and Lou Gramm co-lead vocals on that song and it's so good and, being off the debut album, it has a little progginess to it, which which there was that proggy influence early on because, um, I'm gonna get it wrong, I'm gonna get it wrong just because I'm old, but it was, uh, I believe it was out. Wait, was it al greenwood that came out of king crimson, or was it? Uh, no, it wasn't. I think it was. I don't it was.
Speaker 2:Al greenwood came out of King Crimson, or was it, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It wasn't Ed Geigle I think it was Al Greenwood came out of King Crimson.
Speaker 2:This album came out in 76, right, or was?
Speaker 1:it Ian McDonald? No, I think it was Al Greenwood, I don't know Whatever it is. Well, it's one of those guys.
Speaker 2:Somebody out there is going to correct me and they're going to say, hey, idiot it too. Yeah, hey, we're idiots, but we're doing this show for your pill, for your pleasure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, we could be down there laughing and drinking, having some fun too. We could wait, but we're doing this for you. But star right, so good, and and and it's got a nice bass line and yeah. However, the studio recording the bass isn't, doesn't appear to be very high in the mix. But if you remember the um, what was? Foreigners had a bazillion greatest hits packages, but what was the one? Um I, I see the, the album cover. It's with the with the street and it's got the. It's going down the road.
Speaker 2:Uh, I don't remember, but you have. No, I don't have it right here I think it's the no End in Sight.
Speaker 1:That was it no End in Sight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a song on the list.
Speaker 1:No End in Sight and there was a couple of songs, I think two or three live tracks from when Forner did that show with Led Zeppelin at the O2 Arena. Yeah, those are in there, and star rider was one of them, and the bass line is heavy in that. Uh, it's just killer, killer, killer, killer. It's a great song, it's just. I just I've always loved that song, so and I just dig the whole trading off vocals between lou and mick. Good stuff. So anyway, yes, star Rider is my number nine.
Speaker 2:My number eight is Urgent from 404.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that one could be number one too. Unfortunately it was number eight on my list, Great song Absolutely Cannot disagree with any spot on the top 20.
Speaker 2:Can't disagree with it at all.
Speaker 1:It's hard to complain. Okay, so my number eight is already on your list and it's off of the best and beyond, and that's Soul Doctor.
Speaker 2:Yes, killer, that is just a really good rocking song.
Speaker 1:I will say this when I first started putting the list together, I almost thought that was going to be number one, yeah, but it's not. It's right there at number eight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't play the cross off. This is not coming in, I just went with it.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll try to explain how I did it while we finish. All right, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Number seven.
Speaker 1:Number seven was Blue morning, blue day off the head games album. Oh, it was no, no double vision yeah, sorry, yeah, oh, my god track melody song nice, good one, and I think of all the times we saw them play.
Speaker 2:They only did it once, yeah again yeah, but but wasn't super popular, I guess, but for us it was. I mean, I thought it was a great song, great song Great song, man, just a great song Nice song Nice calm beat. It was a good song, Yep.
Speaker 1:So good, okay, so that takes us up to my number seven, and my number seven is I Want to Know what Love Is. Yeah, yeah, it made your list because it deserves to be on this list. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, no question about it. And you know what else are we going to say? Number one hit song foreigners, biggest, biggest song, yeah and uh, like I said, the one that pretty much broke up the band, you know although right away, but yeah, thank God for Kelly Hansen.
Speaker 1:He's a great lead singer too. Number six for you, my guest.
Speaker 2:You'll never guess what number six is. It has a lot to do with you.
Speaker 1:Oh, it does.
Speaker 2:Dirty white boy. It made number six. It made number six. All right, we know why that's a great song, good stuff. I'll snag all the time, just yeah, Good stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Okay, my number six is the title track off of Head Games and that would be Head Games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good song, good beat Good song.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I just Head Games, yeah, games, yeah, good song, good beat, good song. You know, I just uh, yeah, and it was, I don't know, it was really weird. I listened to it now, you know, 45 years later or whatever it is, and and it just sounds like a great song. But I remember when it first came out, for some reason, I don't know why, it just sounded it seemed to have like a different time signature to it, but that was just that's me in my you know, 15 year old, uh, mind, I suppose when, when that song came out and that album was released, but such a great song and it was, it was great. Whenever, uh, they play that song live and they get to the, to the, to the chorus, and they get to head games and they get the whole crowd shouting head games, you know it was a good good crowd, good crowd participation song. Yeah, good stuff. Good album period.
Speaker 2:So what does that take us up to five, right? I'll never tell you, yeah.
Speaker 1:Number five. You're going to have to tell somebody Wow, number five. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, you're the guest.
Speaker 2:You go first oh, okay, that's wow, it's head games from hey, all right, we got close, we're close. Yeah, we're close right there, not bad yeah, very close, but not gun got one right yet no, we don't have the same same slot, yet it may be the first yeah, um, okay.
Speaker 1:So now my number five is a song that I'll always just. It's always going to be special to me because of when we saw the band perform it live and mick just now mick wasn't one of those guitar players who was running around the stage or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he stood in one place and just played it, but what a great musician and what a great guitar player.
Speaker 1:And he took this song and the guitar solo in it. He dragged that thing out and it was dynamite. I was losing my mind. Stranger in my own house off of Agent Provocator?
Speaker 2:Oh no, I forgot about that song she said boy, your luck is running out.
Speaker 1:She make me feel like a stranger in my own house. And then Dennis just pounding the drums. So good, so good. Okay, so number four, mr guest number four feels like the first time all right, first one that was, but that was the first time you heard foreigner too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was backing that down, yeah that was the first time heard it and for me it was cold as ice. So, yeah, yeah, all right, and it makes it all the way up to number four. Good one, okay, for me my number four, and see if you can kind of see a pattern here a little bit with, like my top five or six songs, my number four off of the foreigner four album, I'm gonna win oh yeah, boy, I missed out on that song too.
Speaker 1:See, there's something I missed another tremendous vocal performance by lou graham on that one man. He's just singing his ass off on that one and uh, yeah, I would, I would pop for that whole album.
Speaker 2:I mean this you could hold on, you know look, I'll tell you what you could.
Speaker 1:You could take for me. You could take the debut and double vision and make a top 20. You could take double vision and four and a four top 20. You could take four and a four in the debut album top 20 right there. You know, you just could take any almost any two albums in the catalog, put them together and you got a top 20 right there. Yeah, that's how good this stuff is and that's what made it so hard, and I think that's why our lists are so different too. But what's good is they're so they're, they're so different that people are actually getting a little exposure to a lot more stuff than if we both, you know kind of would have pretty much the same 20 songs, you know, but just in whatever order. So, um, yeah, I'm gonna win, man, yeah, just dynamite.
Speaker 2:It makes my top 20 killer killer, killer.
Speaker 1:Good song, all right. So, uh, we are up to the top three.
Speaker 2:Number three was Cold.
Speaker 1:As Ice Foreigner. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 2:Number three those two songs off the first Foreigner album. I mean that's what really got me into Foreigner Eventually, when we got to Foreigner 4, that changed the whole complexity of Foreigner for the top 40 hits.
Speaker 1:That was good. You know what's just good? I don't know I try to figure it out how we have these classic bands that we love so much from the 60s or the 70s or the 80s some of them in the 60s as well, but primarily, for you and I, 70s and 80s, and nowadays them in the 60s as well, but, but primarily, for you and I, 70s and 80s, and um, and nowadays, when one of our classic bands and they all don't release music anymore, yeah, but the ones that do, there's like no interest in that new music. Yeah, and you go see them live and then they want to play one or two songs off the new album.
Speaker 1:People take off, go get a beer, go to the bathroom, just don't engage. They would sit down in their seats, whatever it is. All of a sudden the crowd becomes quiet. Yes, of course it's because one they don't know the song. But have you gone out? Have you sought out the song? Have you given it a listen? Or the new album, whatever it might be, but when we were, when we were, you know, really starting to grow in our in, in in our century but I mean the 20th century, the 19th century.
Speaker 1:But I mean, grow in our in in our journey for music. We would get an album from a band, play the thing over and over again and be so hungry and thirsty for the next one. You just said four and a four and it's like couldn't wait to get that, couldn't wait to get Agent Provocative. Just you know, and I don't know where that's gone now. It's just so bizarre. But I know I still always look forward to new music from those classic artists that you and I love so much.
Speaker 2:but you know, all these bands are pretty old, so I mean they open these you don't want to sing new songs, but when they do want to sing a new song, I'd like to hear it because I mean, it's not an everyday thing. These guys, these bands do well.
Speaker 1:And you know, when it comes to to, bands do well. And you know, when it comes to to to the new music, I mean there are some bands, uh, that just say no, we're not doing it anymore. I mean, I know, kiss was like that. Um, after 2012 they were like why, what's the what's the what's the need for it? Nobody buys it anyway. No one listens to it. You know, we spend the money to put it out, put it together and all that kind of stuff, and nobody wants to hear it. Yeah, they want to hear all the old stuff, right.
Speaker 1:You just, you want to stay in this one lane, yeah and um. But then you have a band like cheap trick or even sticks, and they still make music, yeah. And they say that's what we do. We're songwriters, we're artists, that's what we do. We put out new music. If you want to listen to it, great. If you buy it, great. If you don't, well, okay, but that's what we do. We're doing it for us. I do like and appreciate that a lot. So where do we left off with my number four? Right, I'm gonna win yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I did number three with cold as ice.
Speaker 1:So you're oh. Oh, that's right. You gave your number, all right now it's your turn to mess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's starting.
Speaker 1:That's something well here's here's one and I'm hoping you're you will, like I said, see the pattern here. My number three off of inside information is can't wait oh yeah, remember that song just didn't make my list, but it's just a kind of a slow build right to the chorus and then it just punches you in the face. Yeah punches you in the face. It's so good. I just think it's so heavy. Oh man, yeah, from from the first time I heard that song just think it's so heavy From the first time I heard that song Again.
Speaker 1:that's why I say it's such an underrated album. And yet go listen to it and songs 1 through 10 just killer.
Speaker 2:Really, really good. I couldn't agree more. Alright, so you number, good I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so you number two Double.
Speaker 2:Vision Warner. Yeah, yeah, that's just such a good song. They have songs. So much on the radio back in our time.
Speaker 1:It's just a good tune.
Speaker 2:Yeah, being double double. You know it's like, oh, it's a good song.
Speaker 1:There's no buildupup to it. It just you boom, that's it, man, it yeah. No build-up to it at all. I'll tell you what. Let me show you right here. See, I've got a blank spot for two and a blank spot for one, because, no, I have them on this sheet. When I was taking my notes and I got the two songs and I'm going, man, I could just like interchange these songs. What I want to do so what I was?
Speaker 1:what I was doing earlier. Um, before you had come over, I was listening to each one of those songs and going, okay, which one's gonna be number one, which is gonna be number two, which you know, and I'm man, why do this? Because they are both just killer songs. So my number two is off of the debut album. It is the last track on the debut album. I Need you.
Speaker 2:I'm going to make my list when we get done here.
Speaker 1:I would play it right now now, but the mics mute everything out as far as music. I gotta fix all that, because it would be so cool to play little cuts why, not, but now, when we get done here, I'm playing you that song you're gonna remember.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I remember this one and it's heavy. It's got a heavy bass line in it and it's got a killer guitar solo and it's got some really great harmonies. They're not much, just just right at the chorus, just like three different lines in the coil are kind of saying the same thing, but three separate times in the chorus. But the harmonies are just fabulous, just so good, oh my gosh, so so, so good. So that's my number two.
Speaker 1:I need you my number one song hold it, hold it, time out ding ding time out probably won't even pick it up on microphone it is hot blooded.
Speaker 2:oh, they play that song live and they just go on and on and they play that guitar solo.
Speaker 1:It's really Mick really extends that one too, and even just the regular studio version guitar solo. There are a lot of other rock guitarists with much more notoriety than Mick Jones that say that guitar solo in Hot Blooded is just killer.
Speaker 2:Especially off the Can't Hold Back when they do the DVD for the Can't Hold Back we play that song, and that's their last song. No, that's not their last song, but almost virtually their last song, and they play that thing and they had that guitar solo. That's their last song. No, that's not their last song, but almost virtually their last song, and they played that thing and they had that guitar solo. It was an awesome song. That's why I made number one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the live version of it. That's on the. What's it? The Foreigner? Was it Records or something? The first best of they did right after Foreigner 4. That one they released and they put that live version on there and, yeah, it's just really really good, Really really good.
Speaker 2:It's a great song.
Speaker 1:It is so, so good. Okay, so now I don't do tapping very well, but I'm going to try.
Speaker 2:Number one, yes, number one. Numero uno for the Spanish-speaking people.
Speaker 1:You'll be thrilled.
Speaker 2:Numero uno.
Speaker 1:There's no doubt about it. It was going to be on the list. I think this song here is like. When you hear this song, you're like that is Foreigner.
Speaker 2:Title track off of the second album, double Vision yeah, Wow, that made you number one, that made my number one and mine was number two, so I was close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that made my number one man, number one, number two. So I was close. Yeah, that made my number one man. I just I was like it, just I, it just I was thinking to myself, it just it has to, it has to be my number one and and I'll, and I'll go and I know this is like so anticlimactic, right, everyone but hey, we're having my drum roll sucked.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, we're sorry, we're having fun, you're having fun.
Speaker 1:We're going to go have some more fun when we get done here, but it's all good while we're here. But this is how I took, like I said, I took each of the albums and I looked at the songs and I said, okay, which ones are my favorites off of this album? Which ones are my favorites off of this album? And, like the debut album, I had five songs and I said, yeah, there's five songs right there that could be in a top 20 and and uh, same thing with double vision, and I think I you know four or four. I had six songs. And so I said, okay, now, out of all the songs on each album, which one is the number one which you know? So, for each one. So then what I did is I said, okay, all of the number ones have to be up towards the top of the list. They're all number ones. They can't. This number one can't be 20 on the list. So that's kind of how I graded it. And then I went through like that so which one is my second favorite? Which one is my third favorite? And then that's how I was able to come up with, um, my 20, and I have waiting for a girl like you.
Speaker 1:But out of the six songs I had from foreigner four, it was number six and I love that song to pieces. Um, but you know, when I when I look at songs like nightlife, jukebox here and I didn't even have Jukebox Hero on my list because it was number five on my favorite songs from Foreigner 4. But when you come up against Nightlife and Jukebox Hero, waiting for a Girl Like you, urgent, I'm Gonna Win Woman in Black and in my estimation it's like those other songs. They're just, I don't know, they're just so much more killer. And it's not just about how crunchy something is, how heavy it is, how hard it is. It isn't like that, because I love a great ballad and Waiting for a Girl Like you is an absolute smash of a song, so much so it spent 10 weeks at number two on the Billboard Top 40 in 1982. And two songs kept it from the number one. Spot One was I Can't Go For that by Hall Oates, good song.
Speaker 2:Good song.
Speaker 1:And the other one was Physical, by Olivia Newton-John. That song kept it out. Olivia Newton-John kept Waiting For A Girl Like you out of the top spot for nine weeks.
Speaker 2:God rest her soul, but she doesn't deserve it. Oh, come on. Hey, Steve Lukather played the guitar on that song steve lucather was.
Speaker 1:He played lead guitar on that song there so but yeah, you know, um, so that's kind of how I I graded them. And, um, you know another great song off of foreigner four, a ballady song, and I think it's so nice, so wonderful, because it's so atmospheric no pun intended, because a song called girl on the moon, yeah, but it's very atmospheric, you know, and I love that song too. Um, you know, if, if you could do, if we could do, like, uh, the, the, the next top 20 from four.
Speaker 2:You know it just it would be difficult to put it would it would absolutely be killer.
Speaker 1:So so that's, yeah, that's how I came up with it and I felt that it it was still really brutal. Obviously, with some of the songs that were left off of my list it was brutal, but I felt, in my estimation, that was the kind of like the fairest and least stressful way of doing it.
Speaker 2:It wasn't supposed to be stressful, it was supposed to be just name of it.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean, my hair wasn't supposed to turn gray. No, well, mine did. Yes, yes I don't have any hair right now, but yeah, just that's like I said, gray, no, well, mine did, yes, yes, you're down having it here right now, so so, uh, but yeah, you know, just that's like I said, that's how I went about doing it.
Speaker 1:Just good stuff and this kind of stuff, look, that you and I get to do is just I have so much fun with it and it was fun, you know you, you and I, you and I I think we may have mentioned this before, but you and I, out of all the gang and all the guys, we're the biggest music nerds.
Speaker 2:And we enjoy the same music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right. No, we do. I mean, obviously we're both going to have something the other one's not really into. But if you took 10 bands eight of those you and I are just like simpatico, yeah and uh.
Speaker 1:Hey, I know they're getting one here like that yeah so, um, it's just, it's just fun to you know, come up here in studio and just talk about this stuff that you and I love so much and we can share our personal experiences with the audience out there too and hope that it brings up some good memories to anyone and all of them out there. And if it does, or even if it doesn't, people look, just put your own list together, leave it in the comments, give us your top. Yeah, we like to see your list because we yeah we want to see it.
Speaker 1:We want to see how, how different or how much alike it is. And, um, maybe you're more like me, maybe you're more like spaz or maybe you're just somewhere in the middle, and it doesn't matter because it's all good. It's all good stuff and yeah, I just so I love that and I'll say this and I don't. It's been a real busy week at work so I'm not caught up on current music news for the week. Busy week at work, so I'm not caught up on on current music news for the week.
Speaker 1:But I did see something really brief, that Dennis Elliott is not going to the ceremony tomorrow night. Why not? I saw some kind of a statement. It wasn't to me, it wasn't real clear. Something about he was asking for notification on scheduling and all that stuff way in advance and it came in just way too late. And he was like Nope, you came in, came in too late with all this information. Forget it, I'm not going Wow that. It was something along those lines. And, um, speculation has it that it might be something else. You know that he'd rather sit out than pay 10 grand to sit at a table and accept an award. I don't blame him, you know it may be more than 10 grand now. I mean, when Steve Miller was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame, he gave it to them, man he, he got up there and socked it to the rock and roll hall of fame for charging them money, you know, but I so I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it is, but I did see that, and apparently mick jones is not going to be there tomorrow night too well, because all the health issues that he's been uh experiencing the last several years sure, mrs turing, though yeah yeah, so it's gonna.
Speaker 1:so I think it's gonna be like rick wills, uh, from from the original slash classic lineup of the band. It'll'll be Rick Wills, lou Graham, trying to remember the surviving members, cause I believe Ed. See, I know he's going to do it. I don't remember the guy's name, but he got me. He got me when I confused, when I confused the, the, the, the lineup for head games, when we talked about Forner. I think it's Ed Gagliardi that passed away, I believe.
Speaker 1:Please do, but be nice, just be friendly, that's a good one. Friendiday, it's friday, friendly friday, yeah. So, um, it's not gonna be the whole. Obviously. It can't be the whole original band because at least one band member has passed away and mick's not going to be there, and it can't even be the whole classic lineup because nick's not going to be there and Dennis isn't going to be there as well. So kind of disappointing. It appears that it's only going to be like three guys that are going to be up there to accept their, their award and their induction. So, and I don't, I don't even know if I don't even know who's performing.
Speaker 2:In regards to the band.
Speaker 1:I heard something about Sammy Hagar was going to go ahead and sing with Foreigner as well, but I don't know. So I don't even know if it's going to be televised live tomorrow night or not, but I don't know, we'll see. I'm just happy that they finally got their just due.
Speaker 2:I would have thought I've got my just due. I'd be there one way or the other, no matter what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2:Sick or not sick?
Speaker 1:You have to have something to work like that because you're a prestigious band and as much as they've been snubbed for the last 20, 25 years. Now you're there, just go to it, man, suck it up and just go have your moment in the spotlight, you know, have your moment and and just soak it all in. But everybody's got their reason for it and it's yeah, it's, it's a shame, but that's just kind of the way it goes. And but look, I know that first, like I said, we're thrilled that the band is finally getting their just due. And this here, this exercise, was a ton of fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's always fun to hang out with you anyway.
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