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EP. 94 BROTHEL TO BOOK DEAL: THE "AIR FORCE AMY" STORY
Stepping from the shadows of Nevada's legal brothels into the spotlight of cultural conversation, Air Force Amy delivers a masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and raw honesty on this eye-opening episode. Her extraordinary journey from teenage runaway to decorated military veteran to 35-year veteran of legal sex work provides a fascinating window into an often misunderstood world.
Amy pulls no punches as she recounts her turbulent childhood in Ohio, where physical abuse drove her to hitchhike across America as a young teen before finding structure and purpose in military service. Her natural leadership abilities flourished in the Air Force, where she broke barriers as the first female member of an elite squadron and earned multiple prestigious awards. The unexpected pivot to Nevada's legal brothels followed, where she developed the "Air Force Amy" brand that would make her famous and reportedly drove prices up to $6,000 per hour.
The conversation delves deep into the complex reality of legal sex work – the business operations, the power dynamics, the ever-present substance abuse issues, and the political challenges the industry faces. Amy speaks with particular pride about her seven-year sobriety journey, candidly discussing how addiction is rampant in brothel environments while sharing her personal triumph over these challenges. Now retired from active sex work, she's channeling her experience into advocacy, arguing passionately that society needs to "vilify the pimp and empower the prostitute" while writing a memoir she hopes will become an HBO drama series.
Whether you're curious about the inner workings of Nevada's brothels or drawn to stories of human resilience, Amy's unfiltered perspective offers rare insight into an American subculture few truly understand. Listen as she shares both the darkness and light of a life lived boldly outside conventional boundaries, challenging stereotypes and forcing us to reconsider our assumptions about sex work, addiction, and the human capacity for transformation.#tellyourstory #familymatters #thebenmaynardprogram #airforceamy #legalsexwork #legalbrothel #legalcourtesan
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Speaker 1:And this morning it brings me great pleasure to introduce to the Ben Maynard Program Air Force Amy. She is, let's see. She's gone from teenage runaway hitchhiking across the country to highly decorated Air Force veteran, to 35 years legal courtesan in Nevada brothels. She's triumphantly navigated the underbelly of America and got famous along the way. Not without picking up and kicking the typical addictions and self-esteem issues. She has counseled, consoled, lived, loved, laughed and toiled her way to a typical success story. So that kind of in a nutshell there it brings me a great pleasure to welcome you to the Ben Mader program. Thanks, amy.
Speaker 3:Hi Ben, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Of course. Of course I'm really looking forward to this and this is going to be some fun and maybe we'll get a little serious, who knows, we'll see what direction we head into. But before we really dive of dive into anything, I just noticed yesterday so I wanted to bring it up. Next week, june the 12th, there is a documentary series premiering on A&E. It's called Secrets of the Bunny Ranch. Right, yeah, can you talk about?
Speaker 3:that a little bit Pretty salacious, huh. I wasn't even going to advertise it. I wasn't thrilled with my participation in the documentary At first. This producer had, I think she'd been stalking me and waiting for me to leave the Bunny Ranch Because at the Bunny Ranch Suzette wouldn't let anybody do any media. For the last six years since Dennis died, Zero Zilch, no media whatsoever.
Speaker 1:Okay, time out for one second. Okay, I want you to get me caught up a little bit because I don't really know the players, but I know Dennis was like the big boss, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now who is Suzette?
Speaker 3:Suzette, she was the big bad, mean madam, okay, Still is okay, Still is the meanie. Yeah, I'm telling you. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:That way I kind of can put the pieces together yeah she's the Gazelle Maxwell of Epstein oh, together.
Speaker 3:And then she's a gazelle maxwell of uh of evstein. Okay, she's a gazelle, she knows it. She's hiding man, she's really hiding. And um, so something really bad happened there, like a shooting happened and it was directed towards me. And then, and no one could protect me for the following year, I was really scared, scared, and so I left, I got ran off and, um, and this producer from A&E she must've been stalking and waiting for me to leave because she pounced on me to participate in this documentary. And when you know, the first couple of weeks, right after, I was like, oh yeah, I got an extra grind, I got something to think. But before I got, when I went on the show, I thought you know what? Dennis never said anything bad about me publicly ever I can't do that to him.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to do that. So I flipped the switch and was like uh-uh, I'm not saying anything bad about this guy, and who the fuck are you? Can I cuss on the show? Who are you?
Speaker 1:Listen, you can say whatever you want.
Speaker 3:And who are you? And you're not going to pay me to participate. And you want me to dilute my own story? For what, for you? Are you out of your no? So I went on the show as the antagonist defending Dennis, right, okay, and I did. And boy, this woman. She rakes me over the coals. I mean, ben, I couldn't be touched by another human being for three days. After those two days of taping, that's just what a terrible taste was left in my mouth. So I wasn't going to do it. So I put it behind me and that's it. You participate in these shows, your producers get whatever angle they want out of you and you can't just forget about it. I didn't learn that until a few years ago. I learned it from Johnny Depp. Was on the actor's studio.
Speaker 3:He said you know what, once I get paid for my spot, my acting, that's it. They're going to edit it, they're going to do what they want from it. I got paid, I don't watch it, I don't know anything about it, I want nothing. I was like, oh, I can live like that Because I was. You know, the story has been twisted on me many, many, many times and I thought, okay, well, that's it. You know, I participated and I made them give me like a super cute, expensive, like $10,000 room at the Phineas show, you know, because they wouldn't pay me. They're, oh, it's a documentary and we can't pay.
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh fuck, journalism went out the fucking window when, okay, do real journalism, my ass, okay, so whatever they're gonna pay you peanuts to do it, but you're gonna make them give you the most expensive suite at the hotel, right?
Speaker 3:I was like oh okay, you're gonna pay three days and it's gonna be you know, yeah, that was kind of cool. I would never spent that kind of money. So that's what they did, and, um so, and, and, ironically, a year and a half later, um well, in, in february, march of this year, I was, I had gotten signed on at alien cat house okay and that was, and and I thought this was just going to this was my baby.
Speaker 3:I was going to take it from you know, I was going to put it on the map. They had all of Dennis Hoff sold it to this guy in 2018, right before he died. So when I got there the place I mean, it's one of the nicest. It had the best bones of all the brothels in Nevada right now, because it was just recently remodeled I thought, oh my God, dennis is here and I can just alien cat house. How fun to take this, and you know, but it just didn't work out that way.
Speaker 3:The owner, you know, had his own. He thought I think he just told me a bunch of things just to get me in the door, to get my money, my bookings, because I still make a lot of money and the women there there was like three or four of them and it was just it got it's dangerous as well. I mean, yeah, I mean I thought these girls were going to like stab me in the leg and tell the police that I fell out a knife. You know it was really bad. I'm serious. Yeah, that's what I thought, you know, and I called suzette, or texan suzette, just to commiserate and say you know what I? I have a whole new level of respect for you as a madam because I see how you're really.
Speaker 3:You could be a target of attack here and I always ran interference for her. She was very um, it's just like this diva that couldn't be touched by other people and and people would come up and want to interact with her. I saw her on the series and and she, just she, she couldn't, she just you know, just she's here and the world is here and I would run interference and get these, you know, these fans away from her and stuff. But anyhow. So she right off the bat made me this offer to come work for her at her stepchild of all the houses, the Love Ranch was always never could make a buck, never could get it right. And I mean I know secretly why, and I'm not going to say, I'm not going to give, because that whole deal fell apart.
Speaker 1:You mean you're not going to divulge anything here.
Speaker 3:Come on since she would go and fix it, because that's exactly what happened?
Speaker 3:after I left bunny ranch. All the things I complained about, they fixed after I left. I'm like you know what you need, get your ass, get your boots on the ground, figure it out yourself, because right now you're screwed, it's gone, it's done. You ran it into the and I can tell you exactly what's wrong with it right now and I have and you won't fix it. So who cares? So, and it's just, it's. It's a real crying shame because she just really, you know Dennis left it to her but she wasn't like, she's not a business person, she wasn't even a manager. So it's just, she knows nothing about social media and you know it's just running on its name right now, and the name that I helped build is the Bunny Ranch.
Speaker 3:When I do the comps online, she was going to be in my competition. So I think what she did was just pull me out of the game, get her competition out of the way, because I would have really put that alien cat house on the map. So she promised me double the commission that he gave me and all this and systematically over the last five weeks she took away. Well, no, it's not going to be 10%, it's going to be 5%, it's going to be. I was like you, motherfucker. And then the trailer came out for this A&E special. She's like you should have told us you were going to be on there. I'm like what the fuck? That was a year and a half ago. Why the fuck, would I tell you? I have no idea if or when it's going to air.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3:Why the fuck, would I tell you? Because I didn't say anything bad about the place I defended you. We're going to just have to wait and see until I see all 12 episodes. Well, how do you even know there's 12 episodes? I mean, you know what the fuck? You know what? Go fuck yourself, lady. I did, I did, I said you know what? You and everyone just go fuck yourself. I have always seen Brenda Dennis and I got to tell her a bunch of things I never would have said before, because she just was always. This, you know, really stepped on my neck for many, many, many, many years. So I blasted it. I put it on my website. I don't know what I'm going to look like. I know they did my makeup really bad. They shot us from like the neck up and made it all dark and old makeup. It was really bad. So I don't know what it's going to look like. It's probably going to do myself a disservice, but who cares?
Speaker 1:You'll make it all right by your appearance on this podcast.
Speaker 3:I know, right, yeah, but this is what I really look like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody can see yeah.
Speaker 1:The lighting's not dark and she's not shot from the neck up, it's all good.
Speaker 3:She really looks good.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 3:And this is actually going to be good, I'm going to tell you one more thing.
Speaker 3:So oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead I'm um and it just coincides with. I've got some kids out of a film, out of just graduated from uc elit film film school and they're doing a docu-series with me. I'm like because I trust them. They're kids and you know they haven't been jaded by a bunch of the industry yet. So I'm doing my own docu-series on me and I just rehired a ghostwriter to help me with my memoir. So I'm writing but she's editing and it's got a twist to it. It is so great it's going to come out on a drama series on HBO. I just know it. I just know this is my life's work is going to be and it's not just about me. It's got a. It's got a real um, an altruistic, an advocacy angle to it. So I'm really, really excited about that.
Speaker 1:That's great, that's great. Um, okay, so before we go, go back, though, you had mentioned something about you know, possibly getting stabbed here at the brothel and everything is is, is the? Because I look, I don't know, I'm, I'm a, I'm a square. Okay, I truly am. And uh, I never saw the um, the hbo series cat house. I never saw it, or anything like that. I think, once sopranos left, once it was done, I, I think I got rid of hbo or something I don't know yeah but um, when, uh, I mean is is your line of business?
Speaker 1:I mean, is there a danger factor to it? And and is it, does it come from within or can it be?
Speaker 3:you know, the danger come from clients as well you know, the funny thing is the danger never came from the clients.
Speaker 3:I mean 35 years and I think I saw two incidents total okay and it was mostly, you know, a girl that was very inexperienced and didn't want to give, you know, do what she had agreed to. But it never came from the clients. But so I I had always said that I never wanted to manage the brothel or manage girls, or going to management or ownership, because, I mean, the truth of the matter is you're dealing with drug addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes, pimps, thieves, thieves. It gets old after some point in time and the danger it wasn't, you know, at first, when I started working in the brothels, it was dangerous in the fact that I was young, so so I would get run off for being young, and and and the older women, and, and there were, you know, there was always seedy, seedy characters, girls, that I mean, let's say, 99 of them are on drugs or alcohol. There's a problem nobody goes to work at the brothel because everything in their life is rosy I want to talk about that too.
Speaker 1:Okay, something's going on.
Speaker 3:That got them there, you know, and if you don't start to fix or heal what's going on at the same time, it's just you're just a drug addict with a lot of money, so, and they usually have a pimp OK, they usually have a pimp. There's always a, you know, there's a pimp involved and it may be their boyfriend, you know.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:But it's a pimp, ok, but it's a pimp, okay. And so before Dennis got a hold of the Bunny Ranch, it was one of those places you would not go work at, okay. So there's only, you know, a handful outside of Vegas and outside of Reno that that us girls knew and we would migrate in the wintertime go to Vegas and in the summertime come up to Reno. But we all had a gear on and a gauge for what house was, you know, had the best condition, working conditions and the best possibility to make money. But the money it was called the Moonlight at the time. It was not a place you would go, man.
Speaker 3:Before Dennis got it was not one, it was not on my radar, it was like I didn't even know it existed. It was like you. Just you knew it was over there but you didn't go there. You didn't go work there I mean it was the end of the road house and Dennis got a hold of it and over the course of say, 10 years, he, he was really brilliant in that he got porn stars to come work for him and that put him on the map, because I mean, it was genius on his part, because those girls already had their uh advertising and marketing in place.
Speaker 3:As porn stars, as exotic strippers, as headliners, they had their advertising in place and they could get their customers and their fans to come see them. So that was just absolutely brilliant on his part and that's what really put him on the map. At first he had a list of I don't know like 40 porn stars that came to work for him before I did, but I heard that they were making like $5,000 an hour. I was like I'm a porn star. So I'm like there and pretending you know he made up this story, that I was a porn star and I was out booking Darren.
Speaker 1:Pretend you know he made up this story about the porn star and I was out booking them from right out the gate. Yeah, so yeah, hold on one second so before, so we can kind of put the timeline together. About what year are we talking here?
Speaker 3:In 2000,. 1999 to 2000. Okay, yeah, so it was, yeah, 2000. So he had, I think I don't know how many years prior to that's a good question to see when he started getting the porn stars to work for him. But, like, um, his biggest was, uh, sunset thomas. He was so in love with her, he loved her. Oh my god, they would have made the best, best couple, you know. But in hindsight I saw where's suzanne. She, you know, elbowed her way, I in hindsight I saw where she, you know, elbowed her way.
Speaker 3:I, in hindsight, I see every move someone made to get to where they are today, to make sure that they inherited everything, got everything, and it's just like I say, it's a real cry and shame that you know you leave something to and and they can't manage or run it or do it correctly. Hire someone that, can you agree? Right, it's like I mean there's someone that can do the girls, but she always hated all of us. Girls hated us, always hated us it's like any business, though.
Speaker 1:You know you want to have good people that know how to run it so that it continues to be profitable, moving forward and not, you know, and and it's a and there's. There's a great atmosphere, so to speak, and then instead of running it into the ground and people don't want to be there and that kind of stuff, no matter what the business is.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's a, it's a prison yard. At this point, you know, when I left, it was a prison yard. There was cliques of race and drug cliques, that's all there is to it. It was just. It was very, very frightening for me because I was, you know, it was right after the blm riots and everything.
Speaker 2:So I was no target.
Speaker 3:I was. You know the target yeah, yeah you know, and it should have been, and I know that they were mad at ownership because it had gotten to where it is now and I was more like I was such a and I was I can't think of the word but I represented ownership of management because I was like, well, you can't steal, you can't do this, can't do that. And carrying the flag that, dennis, you know, waved all those years.
Speaker 1:You were just being a good representative of the business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I became the target. And it very unfairly became the target and I defended you know, yeah. So anyhow, now that I've been accused of saying all these bad things, I was holding it and the last thing I think I said was you know what? I was holding everything close to my chest, I was protecting all the secrets and everything and I was going to keep them until you died. But gloves are off. Here we go. Gloves off, can you? Whatever happens to me happens.
Speaker 1:You mentioned. You mentioned, like the drug addiction and stuff. You know that's a pretty rampant thing.
Speaker 3:And even so much more now that pot has become like oh, it's just like cigarettes.
Speaker 1:It's like legal. You can buy it on every street corner.
Speaker 3:It's a drug, you know, I would say nine out of ten, ten out of ten smoke pot. Now I'm clean and sober, I can celebrate seven years finally.
Speaker 1:Congratulations to you. That's absolutely. Look, that's awesome. That is awesome thanks.
Speaker 3:It was so hard to do. I mean, I have been. I have been battling and trying to remain clean and sober for the day that I arrived at the bunny ranch. I went there under the, you know, wanting to. Um, I heard that you could leave the house and you could work a certain shift. I was like, oh good, I'll go to real estate school and go to my meetings, everything's gonna be great, you know. And um, and then it just their house doctor prescribed me volume, they prescribed me, um, painkillers, and they just kept the door open for so many years until finally something really bad happened and I and I went to rehab and got off of everything. And so now, seven years, that's.
Speaker 3:I really do that.
Speaker 1:I think that's great, you know, I mean for me and I and I don't. I don't say that, you know, just blasé, because you know I grew up in a household with an alcoholic father and he had done rehab. You know, two, three times and never, you know, couldn't kick it.
Speaker 1:Um and it wasn't it wasn't until years after my parents had had split up that he was able to finally get, get sober. So you know, it takes, it takes work and it takes determination and it takes a certain intestinal fortitude to get that done. And so, yeah, I mean look, congratulations to you, I truly mean it, really. That's awesome. That's awesome, okay. So let's go back a little bit to the beginning, if we could. Okay, let me see here, let me put my glasses on. Okay, so where did you grow up?
Speaker 3:I was born in Ohio, like 20 miles east of Cleveland. Okay yeah, it was called Mentor. All right, yeah, okay, I was just telling my mom we were talking about yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I don't talk to her that often. I think like one, two, three times a year. And I was just telling her that, yeah, I'm excited, just decided I'm retired. I was going to go work somewhere else but after this alien, after this, and it fell through over it, I was like, yeah, I'm just going to write the memoir. And she's like, oh, don't say anything about your childhood but it's your story though and she's like well, that's okay, you're only here 12 years, anyhow.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so okay. So you grew up in Ohio and then, and then, at 12, 13 years old, you ran away from home.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she said I thought it was 13. She says, well, you're only in 12 years, I guess. So I was actually really right doing the timeline a couple days ago, yeah and um, and I thought I had it wrong and I'm just trying to make it add up and there's like a chunk, a piece here, a piece there that I still have to put back together. But how did this go from here to here? And then you know, so I take a day off and let it just. You know, simmer.
Speaker 3:And yeah, I guess I started leaving at 12 and then got across, got as far as like Denver and got sent back. And then Got across, got as far as like Denver and got sent back and then got left again. I got, went to a child study center and left 100 percent, I think I'm. I think it was 15, not 13. Now that I'm really trying to piece it together 100 percent, and yeah, so between 12 and 13, that I never, ever, ever went back, it was like 13 or 15 thinking okay, every I think I think every kid runs away from home.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that's usually lasts about two or three hours and then they're back. Okay, so what? What led to you running away? And then that was it. You didn't look back.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I think, like the first or second time it was, you know, there was double standards. The boys, my brothers, they could smoke cigarettes and then get away with having sex, and and I didn't, you know, I didn't, and I thought that was pretty, you know.
Speaker 3:And there was corporal punishment in our household, man, you just didn't want to fucking get beat anymore and I think at like 12 or 13, it was something to the extent that my grades were catching up with me or there's going to figure out how many days I was going to like my report card was coming out and it was going to be how many days I was gone from school, and I can't face this music man. So I left and, um, yeah, the very last time I left, the last time I didn't look back um, a girlfriend and I, we. It was in the middle of winter and we were on um, we got as far as like a freeway, down the street and we're hitchhiking and highway patrol goes by, right, we're like, oh, and we run across to the other side. It's the highway, and we come back this way. We're back across the other side I only catch up with this and they're like where are you guys going? And you can tell her you know, oh, we're going back.
Speaker 3:And my brother was going to kent state at the time. We're like, oh, we're going back. And you know it's uh, my parents, our parents, are in florida and we have to get back to school. And, um, you're like where I can't stay? And they're like, oh, yeah, the dormitory. And I told him which one, and they're like, get in the car. That's an all-male dormitory, oh gosh.
Speaker 2:I am Right.
Speaker 3:I thought you had it, but no. Yeah, how would you know that? But so, yeah, they take us down to the police station. It's like almost midnight or something and my parents have to come down and get me and they're not happy and I'm just like this and there was like a night court Please just keep me, please just keep me.
Speaker 3:He's going to beat the fuck, he's going to kill me, please. And he sent me home with my dad and my dad just he got me out of the car and he had these like suede gloves on. He was just wailing on my face Just on a cement board. He's like is this what you want to happen to you? This is what's going to happen. I was like, I was just like a basketball, you know, and I left and I could climb down the window the next morning and left and never looked back well, you, you, um.
Speaker 1:You ended up in the air force, right?
Speaker 3:how old were you at that time when you joined the air force um, I just turned 19, I was 18 to join, and they put me on a delayed enlistment for like three or four months and, um, I think, throughout that.
Speaker 1:So I got the summer time to play hitchhiking around the country okay, hold on, hold on, because, because you brought up hitchhiking, okay, so, um, I I know I'm not gonna ask your age, but I figure we to be kind of fairly close because you're talking about hitchhiking. Okay, come on. Hitchhiking was done in like the early 80s. All right, and I was I was a teenager during those times. It became too dangerous. So are we kind of talking about that timeframe?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Mid 80ss and, um, it was, and I don't know what. You know I I think back on that first truck I got into on the freeway, just like, got down the street from my parents home and you get, you gotta be. You know it didn't. I didn't plan on leaving it in a truck, but I guess a truck pulled over and you know, and what could have been going through my mind except for that severe beating the night before that? I had to get the fuck out of there, right and it was safer to climb up.
Speaker 3:But I know this, this semi truck way up there because I was tiny. I had to be, like you know, 90 pounds. I'm five, three now five.
Speaker 3:I was super tiny. I climbed up those steps and got another big muffler over here. You don't know what's on the other side of that door. I did it Then for the guy to see me, and my face like this gave him the sob story. My dad beat the shit out of me. That was it. I felt safe in the truck. The truck drivers took care of me, was safe that's good, all right so then, so then, 18 yeah, so then 18, you end up, you, you.
Speaker 1:You join the air force, you get in at 19 and um. How was that experience and what? What did? What did you do in the air force?
Speaker 3:so so my um, my first day, well, at Met. So I was on delayed enlistment and I went, ended up in Fort Worth and I was going to. I was supposed to enroll join the Met station from Fort Worth and I don't know what made me think that because I was, I had enlisted in New Jersey. Oh gosh, three months ago, from Fort Worth, I knew a family down there that I had stayed with some, and it was a truck driver and his family lived in Fort Worth and I would, you know, stop off there and and worked that truck stop and live with them at the same time and anyhow.
Speaker 3:So I joined from there and and I was, and we were, there was a and crank was the thing at that time you know they would stick through their toothpicks in and suck on it and and so that was the thing we were doing at the time and, um, to join. So the night before or the day that I went into the mep station it was funny I was like this I, um, I went to tar, I went to target and got like these pastel looking clothes so I wouldn't look like hardened or like a drug addict or anything. I wanted to look like really square going in and not get found out that I'm, you know, doing drugs and this badass. So I look like this little, this pastel. I remember the exact outfit I was wearing and I get in there. Uh, they didn't take my blood at the map station. It's so strange. I don't know if they did that often but, to this day, I don't know my blood type.
Speaker 3:We just gave me wow really so you've never, like you've never gone and donated blood anywhere like a specific test to see what type it is and and I know it's not All right so we just guessed that it would be positive. It's on my dog tags and it's like they never really took my blood that day.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 3:And so we get to Lackland Air Force Base and it's basic training and we're standing in line and this TI, she just comes around and we're like poof, poof, poof, poof, poof and those steel taps on her shoes Gets right at my face this must be our Miss Pris of the group. I'm like, ooh little. Do you know lady? Yeah, I'm the Miss Pris, you got that wrong.
Speaker 3:You know, but I I mean, they must have seen immediately that I was like I don't know if you're fearless, but it's self-sufficient and more of a leader. You know, because I had just lived a bunch of life before the age of 19. And they immediately made me the squad leader and the leader and this and that, and I just, you know, I carried myself in such a way and I just had like common sense, street smarts and woman of the year, airman of the year, sp of the year, and then I was already prepped for winning and for titles and things. That was the only form of acceptance. There was never love in my family, but there was acceptance. Gotcha, you could earn points.
Speaker 1:You just hadn't built up enough points, right? Yeah, I was already Ohio State's 20-hundred jumper champ.
Speaker 3:You just hadn't built up enough points, right, you know so, yeah, so I was already like Ohio State 20-hundred jumper champ and this, and that you know, as long as you were winning, you could hide that big elephant that was in the room. You know in our family. So I was always prepped for that and so I just, I, really I really excelled. I was woman of the year, airman of the year, sp of the year, twice beloved of his own, and all these things I did really, really, really well in the military. And there's a dark side to it too. I was in this.
Speaker 3:I volunteered for a very elite group which I didn't know at the time. I just knew I didn't. I tested really high on my scores and they wanted me to be either a crew chief, which was like a grease monkey in Toronto. I was like, yeah, not so much. And then, or law enforcement. I was like, yeah, I guess it takes a crook to catch a crook, yeah, so I and I wanted to change duty stations. I didn't want to be stationed stateside, and there was this kid didn't want to be stationed stateside. So, yeah, someone oversees. And I volunteered for this really elite squadron. I didn't know it was elite. I just didn't want to do be a cop.
Speaker 1:Or work on planes right.
Speaker 3:Or work on planes. Yeah, but yeah. So I ended up in this very elite squadron, the first female and only female to ever do. Another one tried, but she didn't make it.
Speaker 3:Wow, so in order for the guys. I think the way I look at it, in order for the guys in this very elite squadron to make it okay for this female to be there, is they all had to have a piece of me, and that made it okay, you know, and so I just yeah, anyhow, we'll talk about that in the book, but so, um, my last thought I got. I was in the philippines, the my almost my entire tour, and at the time it was marcos, so it's not considered a foreign war. Yeah, there were burnt, decapitated bodies in the streets. It was really. I mean, we were in DEFCON. It was really dangerous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was when Ferdinand Marcos was ousted from leadership, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the thing was back then. It was the same that was Taliban. Back then we didn't know what name thing was. Back then it was the same that was Taliban. Back then we didn't know what name was the Taliban, but it was the same people, the same players we have today with ISIS and Taliban and NRA, the same people, you know, wow, and they're out there and they were trying to get my, and so I took students out in the field. We taught two weeks in class and then two weeks in the field. And what, in the field for two? We taught two weeks, uh, in class and then two weeks in the field, and what I did was, um, our ground troops were our last line of defense and our most important resource in the air force, you would think, would be planes. Nah, they could be replaced, but that runway, because the plane's got to get up and down right, right you have to have a place to land and take off, yeah yeah, so that runway and that's what you know.
Speaker 3:The ground troops the only ground troops in the air force were security, police and law enforcement and they had to protect that runway gotcha so I taught you guys how to do that yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:So where did the name air force amy come from?
Speaker 3:that's very much later on my career. So the first 10 years, um, I had bounced around from the like, I said we, we would migrate north to south. The Chicken Ranch and the Sherry's Ranch were right outside of Vegas. That was my first place that I went to was the Chicken Ranch. Then I migrated up north to the girls and the Mustang Ranch and then back down to Cherry Patch, then the girls and mustang ranch and then back down to cherry patch and then, um, I heard about the bunny ranch. So I went to bunny ranch and the mustang and the mustang ranch had closed permanently in like 1999, just as I was, uh, making a move to the bunny ranch okay and I had worked there a little bit.
Speaker 3:But um, yeah, I worked there a little bit and I had, and I naturally had short red hair and no big blue. I just looked a certain. You know, I had short red hair I saw your air force picture I'm naturally a redhead.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I had this red hair and, um, when I got to bunny ranch, I had blonde hair and changed my looks considerably. But I thought, but I noticed that the same guys that used to go to the mustang, 30 miles away, were now coming to the bunny ranch and I was like I want them. If I spent any amount of time with them, if you spent money, you spent a time they would know that I was that Amy that was in the Air Force. So I wanted them to put two and two together that I was the Amy that was in the Air Force. All right, so you can remember that this is me and pick me.
Speaker 2:Okay, I got you I was Amy.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just like it was, was like it's like the best name, it's like mcdonald's, you know, just the best name it, just it doesn't have a ring to it, so you know, yeah, other people like girls have copied and try to be gi jen or, you know, coast guard carrier, whatever. It doesn't work. Air force amy works I really wanted to be amy and I really wanted to be amazing amy, but they had a doll out at that time and I was like, yeah, I can't do that, that would be cool.
Speaker 1:So air force amy was it yeah, no, like I said, it's got a great ring to it, yeah, and it uh, it's not. There's no phoniness to it.
Speaker 3:You did serve in the air force too, so yeah it's funny, my um, my uh license plate says afa01 because it could be afm1. Yeah and I'm, and it's parked outside the gym one day and so and that guy goes oh, air force academy first. Did you graduate first in the?
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah, yeah, that's right yeah first in the, I'm like, yeah, that's right, yeah, so, um, so, tell me, um, tell me about, I guess, I guess, tell me about legal brothels, but but talk about how, once you left the, once you left the air force, how did you transition into that, into this profession?
Speaker 3:The best story is, and I just wrote the story for the memoir and it's a long, it's a long, it's a long.
Speaker 1:it does not give all the juicy details, Because when the book comes out, people to buy it. They will.
Speaker 3:And actually I can't even you know it can only be like maybe 90,000 words or something. So there's so much more to the story that right now you notice my site is like kind of under construction and it's going to be a membership site where I tell the real, true, long story of it, because it's just so I remember so much.
Speaker 1:But that's great that you remember so much. Yeah, because, look, I love stories and I think that's what I enjoy most about doing when I do this podcast. It's just about people telling their stories and I think that there's value to that. I think that there's people who people telling their stories, so, and I think that there's value to that. I think that there's people who love to hear stories and they just like to hear two people talking and having a conversation and sharing things. So, no, so yeah, I think when your book comes out, that's gonna be something else. Actually, when it comes out, you need to come back on too, but but anyway, let's so so how?
Speaker 1:let's? Let's get back to, to the point, and that's how you got.
Speaker 3:You transitioned from air force into uh, into your profession, the truth of the matter is it wasn't that hard okay because, uh, and it was, a lot of people were surprised and I was surprised that there was so much prostitution actually taking place in the military. And somebody even contacted me a few years ago wanting to know about a huge prostitution ring that was taking place at Clark Air Base and an airman had actually gone missing, died, got killed over this. So something there's still another layer to where I was when I was. That is still shrouded, but you know, my story does give credence to that. Yeah, that very well could have happened, and not with me. I didn't prostitute, I was just thrown out for free.
Speaker 3:But so to go from the military to you know, the most famous saying that we have out there is when I was on Judge Jeanine Perrault. Saying that we have out there is when I was on judge jenny perot, and she goes. Well, how did night night ramble up all these you know accomplishments I have in the military? And she's like, well, how does one go from the military to the brothel? I'm like, oh, it's just an hour away. Yeah, it was, it was like an hour, you know that was. Yeah, that made sense to me yeah yeah, how did you get there?
Speaker 1:I was an hour away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know like, yeah, it wasn't too hard to get there. You know, yeah, there's these things called road maps right but yeah, so it wasn't that far of a stretch because prior to the military, it was something that I knew I could do and I had done. You know, I was prostituting in the truck stops and my brain wasn't clear at that time, I was drinking, so I think it was like four wine coolers.
Speaker 2:As simple as the answer is.
Speaker 3:You know an hour away and four wine coolers. As simple as the answer is. You know, an hour away and four wine coolers. I didn't want to carry a gun for a living, I didn't want to be a prison guard and it wouldn't be law enforcement and you know, and, and I was in las vegas and I like the, you know the glamour and the glitz, and I just thought, you know, you make some money fast. And it was kind of an ultimatum to the military. I was like, well, you can't cross train me, you can't give me a re-enlistment bonus. Then you know, here's my ultimatum I'll go work in the brothels. Oh, you do that. Then give me a, you know. So it's an ultimatum that kind of got me in the military and ultimatum that got me into the to the uh brothels. And I kind of try not to make ultimatums. No, nobody likes to.
Speaker 1:Nobody likes to throw down an ultimatum. It doesn't matter what it's in regards to. Nobody likes to it's because it's like it brings finale to something and someone's always going to be Thor over it, but so.
Speaker 3:And how did you stay there for 35 years? The honest to God's truth is that you know I was enabled, my addictions were enabled and I never got enough time under. You know, in hindsight, being clean and sober, it took me three, four years to really get uncloudy and still I don't think straight. I need my 12 steps that keep me guided. I need my spirituality, my people, to keep me without an unclouded, distorted mind, Because as an alcoholic or an addict, you just think differently and the alcoholism and the drug addictions are just symptoms of my distorted thinking.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, and they're just. You know, those just become substances to bury everything else that has been going on or had gone on, you know, just to kind of soothe the pain, I suppose.
Speaker 3:And the downside to that is if you're working for someone that is playing mind games with you and relishes on you being, say, codependent or questioning your own thinking, if you have a narcissist and a bad guy and an antagonist that wants to control you and make you think a certain way and be a certain way and subscribe and be okay with their abuse, is they know that you're going to question yourself. You question your, your question my thinking, that question my motives, question um and question myself. And because it would be like so makes no sense, what they're saying or doing. You can't really put your finger on it, you can't figure it out, but so you question yourself. In a in a, in a, in a in a tub sub situation. You're always going to clean your side of the street, yeah, and see your part in it. So they, and then they, they get the excuse that they don't have to see their part in it.
Speaker 1:They know that you're man. What a fucking free ride they get in your head, man. So the ladies that work the brothels obviously they can, and probably in most cases, make pretty darn good money, right Okay?
Speaker 3:I'm good and you can pay the prices that they have out there. Now you can thank me, man. It's ridiculous. I got them up to $6,000 an hour, Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't and I don't know all everybody's different titles, but a guy like Dennis, he's running it, he's like the big boss of of this particular brothel here. But how, um, do girls get taken advantage of and and how can they prevent from being taken advantage of, if in fact they are, do get taken advantage of, if you, if you can go into it I mean number one you're going to, you're going to isolate yourself.
Speaker 3:So, so the pimps have this really great thing in place for them Like with people, like cults and pimps they will. First thing they're going to do is isolate you.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Isolate you from your family and your friends so that nobody can talk you into. You know, put a sane thought into your mind Like what are you doing? Why would you let them do this? But you know, no, there's no question. So you're removed from family, you're removed from society and you're stuck in this little crux and most of the time, um, it's a lot easier to do that if you're not the person that they want to take.
Speaker 3:It is on drugs, because you can either, you know, cloud your mind and they are not thinking straight to to even to defend themselves, right, they're all or you're feeling guilty that, hey, I'm on drugs, my alcohol, I had a bad I I up, I was on alcohol. You know, I did that a lot. I was, like you know, got in trouble for drinking too much and acting out. So I was always on the trouble side and I was always. You know, I'm trying to fix it and try. I have to make the most money because I fucked up. So they play on that, they play on your emotions, that you're always a fuck up. You're only as good as your last party.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So there's that Gotcha, and what was the question?
Speaker 1:Gotcha. And what was the question? How do girls, how can they prevent themselves from being taken advantage of?
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, Well, one you'd have to go in clean and sober or you know, without an addiction, that they could take advantage of right or that they could exploit.
Speaker 2:Gotcha.
Speaker 3:You know, for that You'd have to go in with the army. It takes a village. I guess you know you could theoretically go into this industry and but you'd have to have, you'd have to have a village. You know, the girls that I saw that are really, really, really successful had a man behind them that was like did their social media or did their their emails? It's almost impossible to do the, to do the whole project by yourself, to do the social media, to do the online, to do the emails, to do the marketing, to do the actual the, the keeping up with, or to do the um customer management, to do the sales to the market. It's almost impossible for one girl by herself I did, I had no one else helping me, wow. So but, um, you and you'd have to have a, an anchor in the outside world that you would talk to daily to keep you kind of keep you grounded or rooted, grounded in the real, you know, in reality okay yeah, the cult is going to make you this, this other reality, an alternate reality.
Speaker 3:So you got to keep so, you got to have that, that, that life preserver and that, that line out there to reality. Okay, you know, so it could be done, but most of the time, um, the women that I saw had their families involved, that their mother knew about it, or I mean parent mothers become the biggest pimps of all wow, really oh my god, yeah, the guilt they land and they're watching kid and you know, and they just end up paying the mother more and more and more and more.
Speaker 1:They're the worst pimps of all believe it or not yeah, do do or have any of the women that you worked with in the past. Do they have? Um, do they have relationships or husbands or anything like that?
Speaker 3:is it? Is it and how?
Speaker 1:does that work?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I always thought that, well, there's no way you can have a loving relationship, say with a husband or boyfriend, that would allow. I had princess syndrome. I always thought that, you know, if I had a boyfriend or husband, he's gonna rescue me, I'm never gonna have to look back. That's the only way that works right. Except one time. I uh started dating a guy. He was a customer and I had dated him and he wanted, or he wanted, to date me and I said, well, um, the only way we could do that is if you put a ring on and get engaged. I want to be married, and um, so he did. And and to go back to work. I thought to myself I'm never gonna be able to work again. I can't. I'm not with this guy. How am I gonna do it? I get to work. I don't. You know, I always have my first customer go. Oh, that was easy.
Speaker 3:that was easy, you know, because you compartmentalize and you just you make you make right, you know, you make it make sense in your head and um, or you just compartmentalize and you do the task at hand, you know. So I can't speak for all the women. I can't say that every husband or boyfriend is a pimp or a part. I don't know if they're pimps or partners. I'm not there, I'm not in that family, I don't know. But, um, I don't think it's really healthy, and maybe only because of the stigma that our society puts on it.
Speaker 3:So I can only tell my experience yeah, you know, you hear some girls that are probably in really bad relationships because you hear them on the phone outside their door. We're in this small contained area. It's a snake pit. It's a snake pit. You hear the conversations outside their door with their you know their significant other and they're yelling, you know, and it's not good. Most people are not good, so I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1:I um, I can't put it all in one basket, but I'd say it's not so good gotcha so okay, um, so you know, obviously, so you've been, you've done this for many years, 35 years, right, 35 years. Five years ago, everything kind of shut down. We had this, we had this, this, this pandemic, you know and I like to use air quotes, but I won't get politically into it- but, nonetheless, because I think a lot of it was, but I won't get politically into it, but nonetheless because I think a lot of it was a bunch of garbage and none of it should have happened, but anyway.
Speaker 1:but we had this pandemic and so many industries were being shut down, and yours was one of them. How did that affect you?
Speaker 3:So what happened was, yeah, we got got shut down. We were the first ones to get shut down. And here's the thing I'm I'm the same school of thought as you. Um, we would have been the first ones you would come to and ask how to deal with it. We got through aids, we got therapies, we got through hb, all these. You know, we're the first ones to adapt, modify, modify and thrive. Because we have to, because if my health isn't good, I mean, I'm only relying on this body here, you know, and it needs to function, it needs to be healthy. And, plus, we're seeing guys from all over the United States, all over the country, all over the world, and trying to stay healthy, like, say, through the winter season and cold and flu season and, believe it or not, I'd say successful. I'm not going to say unsuccessful or successful, but I'm a germaphobe, 100% germaphobe. Don't breathe, I mean. Really, maybe not the best business to be in. If you're a germaphobe, don't breathe, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm really so maybe not the best business to be in If you're a germaphobe.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's okay, because that way you stay healthy through the winter season. At least you know cause you're in this. You're in this little environment of you know it's all these different girls and nobody's going to go home because they're sick. You know they can't afford to, so they, oh no, I have, I have allergies. My ass.
Speaker 3:You're sick, man, stay in room so we're already dealing with the, with uh viruses and and cold and flu season, and then plus, I said, like the aids epidemic and the and the herpes epidemic and that was absolutely just, I still remember, you know, first hearing about it all the way back in like 1985.
Speaker 1:I think the very first person we heard in regards to AIDS was Rock Hudson, and then it was like we didn't even understand what it was. And I remember for the next, you know, had to be a minimum five years, probably closer to 10 years. That was just a scary, scary thing to to just even think about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and we were there in the brothels having sex.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:No having sex. So what we did was, um, they uh made it where condoms were mandatory, all activities, no exchange of bodily fluids, and that was our thing, no exchange of bodily fluids, you know, and kind of. Those rules have kind of gone out the window with more and more I don't know, I'm not going to say nationalities coming in, I don't think we can say that, but it's true, they come in from a 100% different culture and this kind of money is just, you know, they come in from a 100% different culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And this kind of money is just gods and gods and oodles and oodles of money and they'll do more and more things for that kind of money, whereas we're like, yeah, not so much.
Speaker 1:So I can imagine that money dictates kind of what happens and what doesn't happen.
Speaker 3:Everyone's got a price, gotcha, you know, and we try to keep it to here, but then it goes here and then it goes here. And I've seen over the decades it's gone more and more and more. It gets done for less and less and less.
Speaker 1:Oh, hmm, yeah, that's weird. Yeah, but you know what it happened first in the porn industry. Oh, hmm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, but you know what they can't. It happened first in the porn industry To me I mean to be sound really racist the Russians came in, and you know. And then the Brazilians came in and the prices went down. Yeah.
Speaker 1:See that's a topic for another time. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Racism inside our industry. Yeah, this is the last industry, the last frontier. You can really be racist because you get to choose what ethnicity you want, what hair color you want, what body style you want. You can make all these choices that are totally taboo, supposedly okay, you know what?
Speaker 1:all right, then I'm gonna I'm gonna skip what we were just talking about. So kind of talk about the procedure, like okay, when a guy or guys whatever the guy walks into the front door of the brothel, okay, what happens? Can you kind of like take me through a step-by-step process of how that goes down?
Speaker 3:yeah, so a guy will come in I'm sorry, they're given the, so there's different codes, okay. First of all, almost all the places are behind gates. Now, the last place I worked, alien cat house, was not behind a fence. That's one of the first things this guy did was take down the fence and I'm like really, really, really surprised, because this is one of the only brothels in nevada that is actually on a thoroughway, on a highway, in the same parking lot as a gas station. Oh, the rest of them were all off in the middle of you know, behind a, a junkyard, behind an industrial area, down this road and 10 miles down that way, another 10 miles because it has to be outside of city limits, and I mean really, it's really, this one was right there, no fence.
Speaker 3:So usually there's a fence and a gate and you press a button and one bell means always just a client come, he's just a, you know, a walk-in. Two bells is either a customer, an appointment or an employee, and three bells is the owner, and when they ring the bell for you to come make this lineup, everybody's. You know some places you're, you're always on the floor, you're dressed, ready to go for 12 hours. Other places, they'll give you a few minutes to get ready to make it this lineup, so everybody goes, gets in this lineup, and you? You're not just allowed to draw attention to yourself and you stand there, you introduce yourself ladies, we have company. And you're not allowed to draw attention to yourself. And you stand there, you introduce yourself, ladies, we have company. And you say your name and you try not to draw attention to yourself. But I tell girls to, in order to get picked, try to give the guy the look like you did in first grade when you were trying to let a kid know that you liked him.
Speaker 3:You'd be like or pigtails, right, yeah, and the guy kind of thinks so the guy's going to pick someone and, um, you take them on what they call a tour. And it's interesting that they're called tours because that's what they they used in the uh timeshares was.
Speaker 3:He takes them on a tour right so you take it, you show him around, you make him comfortable, then you take him to your room, you discuss, uh, the prices and parties that you have available and he tries to get as much as he can for as little as possible. You try to get as much as you can, do as little as possible. You meet somewhere in the middle, of course. So you come to an agreement um, you take and you take the money up to the front, or credit card to the front and and they book it, and sometimes you get paid after every party, sometimes you get paid once a week, sometimes you get paid, you know, every two weeks. Sometimes it's checks, sometimes cash, it's different places, different, different just for different places and but you always get a 1099, what they call it courtesy 1099, at the end of the year. That shows how income because I, as an independent contractor, I should be giving a 1099 to the place I work for say, hey, I gave you 200 000 this year you know that was out of my, my net and um, but they give us a courtesy 1099. So we're, we paid. You can't, you're supposed to pay taxes.
Speaker 3:I, I pay taxes, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, and I run it just like a business. I'm a sole proprietor, I have an LLC. Some girls have S-Corps and an LLC. So the girls that had S-Corps, that took taxes out prior to the pandemic, they had PMI insurance already. They're going to protect themselves. But what we did here in nevada, they um, they kept us close the longest. They uh and to to uh. If you want to get political, that the um, believe it or not. Liberals hate us okay, you know. The democrats hate us okay and they want us and they want us gone.
Speaker 3:And it was the um, the, the conservatives, and you know that really are on our side and dennis our our boss, you know he ran on the conservative, he was a trump of trump, you know gotcha yeah so yeah, so it's just, it was more like of a race thing, of which one which girls are conservative and which girls are are not, okay, liberal, because you mean, like I said, after the, the blm and girls really got a full of uh, whatever they got full of. You know they got full of. You know I heard guts and and and you know making a stance, because most of them were in mixed relationships, you know so, and they felt slighted or something. But you know, if we really think of it, we were also the last frontier, that the marginalized group that we didn't have a, a, a, a hit group out there.
Speaker 3:We didn't have. We didn't have terrorists. We didn't have terrorists like the, the LGBTQ RST. You know they had and and and it's just like BLM. Blm, they had their terrorists out there. So I wouldn't have a terrorist group and making big moves. But not the prostitutes. The prostitutes are still being vilified, while the pimps are being glorified, and that's where I'm going to make a change.
Speaker 1:What kind of change are you looking to make?
Speaker 3:We need to vilify the pimp and empower the prostitute.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Just don't vilify her. She got herself there for some reason and we're marginalized and we need to be heard.
Speaker 1:So is that kind of where that's?
Speaker 3:where I'm going that's where I'm.
Speaker 1:Early on, you said yeah, you're kind of retiring from this, so is that kind of where your focus is going?
Speaker 3:to be now, you see, will be to uh vilify the pen, because I mean there's like the there's thing that decriminalize or or uh legalize and there's two schools of thought.
Speaker 3:And the decriminalize puts the, the power in with the customer, who isn't always. I mean, if you're in crime breeds crime. So if you're in an illegal situation and the guy has the power to say, well, no, I'm the one that's going to get in trouble, so we're going to do it here, here, here and this and this and this, to say, well, no, I'm the one that's going to get in trouble, so we're going to do it here, here, here, and this, this and this, so he gets to make more rules.
Speaker 3:Gotcha, I like the school of thought, I like the New Zealand model where we don't need a middleman. So I mean the model that's in place now in Nevada excuse me, it kind of works, except that there was designed by, I mean, real bad guys, criminals like joe conformity and and uh yeah, these, these real bad guys, these criminals have been exiled and imprisoned and the same model is in place 60 years later. Do you think that it it enabled, that it benefits the girls or the pimp?
Speaker 3:come on right, right, yeah, I get you and if we're going to do this, let's do it where you know, with a model that works, that's in favor of the, the women that can, that should be empowered by what they're doing the earners. I mean come on, if we're going to go, my body, my choice.
Speaker 2:Gotcha All right.
Speaker 1:You're going to turn that one around? Yeah, all right. So, okay, you do have one book out right now, and it's it's called Air Force. Amy's 69 favorite sex quotes of all time. Can you share a couple of those quotes? Oh, um oh you don't have the book. I just want my book. She just sprung it on you I know, let's see, there's some way.
Speaker 3:What Marilyn Monroe? The only thing I wear is Chanel, Chanel perfume, Chanel number five.
Speaker 1:Actually I tried to. I was going to look up and see if there were any quotes, but there were no quotes on your webpage, so I couldn't find any to dig up, so I thought I would hit you with that.
Speaker 3:no, it's okay, there's good ones, um, you know, and the funny thing is I've never sold one of those books and it wasn't meant to be sold. I use it as a business card and it's really something special you get if you have one, because I've never sold one, you have to meet me in order to get it. You've never sold one. Nope, it's a benefit. It's a calling card and something that says you met me in person because that's the only way to get it.
Speaker 3:So, it's really something special to have if I give you one.
Speaker 2:Wow, all right, everybody wants one. You know if I go work for all the girls.
Speaker 3:I work with everybody. They all want one and I don't give one to everyone.
Speaker 1:So we can't, we can't pitch and say okay, it's available on Amazon or Barnes and Noble, wherever you get your books, wherever books are sold, that's where it is.
Speaker 3:I never wanted to be a drop shipper, you know, because I just I'm not disciplined, you'll let something sit for a while. Right, I work in spurts. You know, I'm like, yeah, I do things in spurts, I work really hard for a few days and I take a day off. I mean, like I was supposed to do some things. I was really this deep into writing the other day and then I got stuck on a series yesterday. I thought the window of Washington. I got to see this to the end.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, all right, what was it? What were you watching?
Speaker 3:Ginny, and oh wait, this is my publisher.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah Go ahead Hi. Sal.
Speaker 3:I'm on a podcast right now I can't talk to you. Oh, okay, we'll talk later. Okay, I'll call you right back.
Speaker 1:I love it, I love it, I love it. That's okay, not to make me sound really popular too. I've been getting text messages here the whole time we've been doing this. I shut my ringer off, but I have my iPad here on the desk.
Speaker 3:I can tell you who's calling me. I can tell you because I never get phone calls. I don't take phone calls, so I can tell you to call me. I can tell you cause I never get phone, I don't take phone calls. So I can tell you I can if someone, if the phone rings, I can pretty much tell you who it's going to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Okay. So so first, this has been a lot of fun. It really has been, so I really greatly appreciate it. I want to, can we play a little game?
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Right, it's a simple game. I have never, ever done this on the podcast before with the guests. I never thought of it before. I haven't. I never thought of this before, but but it hit me yesterday and I thought why am I not doing this more often? So I just want to do this, Okay, and I. There's probably a bazillion names for this. It's just like this or that.
Speaker 3:All right, that's all it is yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, and and I've got, I've got some, some selections here and it doesn't mean that you like one over the other. You could like both of them, but you got to you just you just have to choose one, all right. So they're really, really simple, and they're not there. I'm not going to like put you on the spot or anything like that. This isn't you know, play got you with Air Force, amy, it's not Okay. Okay, so real simple Beatles or Stones.
Speaker 3:Stones.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I like them both myself. But if I have to choose, I'm going Stones too, because I think they're a little more, they're a little more like street. Okay, cheeseburgers or pizza.
Speaker 3:Pizza. I don't like cheese on my burgers.
Speaker 1:Okay, you don't like cheese on your burgers, but you like cheese pizza. Yeah, okay, all right. Okay, boxers or briefs.
Speaker 3:Briefs.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Boy shorts. That's what I'm wearing now. You'd love to live with me. I wear white feeders and boy shorts all day long.
Speaker 1:There you go. Okay, cake or pie.
Speaker 3:Cake, yeah, all right. Too much crust on the pie.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:No that's good, cool, no, no, it's good, it's good. I kind of lean towards cake myself too. You know the beach or the lake.
Speaker 3:The beach.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right Ocean.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, you like to get in or you like to just lay by the lake.
Speaker 3:I like to get in with the like to just lay by the lake, I do. I like to get in with the lake. I always think there's like maybe allergies and algae and mosquitoes.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's all right, I got you.
Speaker 3:I'm a summer home up at Lake Tahoe and there's like I could go to the Keys and I'm like, no, that might smell swampy, I'd rather be on the lake. But if it's a lake swampy, I'd rather be on the lake, but if it's a lake or ocean.
Speaker 1:I'd rather be on the ocean. Okay, I get you.
Speaker 3:I mean me.
Speaker 1:That's ideally, but then you get to the ocean and it's like, oh, we have to wait for the fog to burn off Sometimes, sometimes, where's your? Well, okay, if you have to vacation, are you choosing like a beach resort or something else? Beach resort Okay. Where's your favorite place to vacation?
Speaker 3:I love San Diego and I love Malibu, but Malibu burnt down thanks to New.
Speaker 2:Zealand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, see, let's save that for the next time. Okay, yeah, yeah, so you. Let's save that for the next time. Okay, yeah, so you like.
Speaker 3:I'm very political and I even I mean, I'm not afraid to say it I thought, you know, before this election, that was so important. I thought this election was so very, very, very important in our lifetime that I actually came out as the patriotic prostitute and I and I have a MAGA manifest.
Speaker 2:All right, okay, hey you know.
Speaker 1:Hey look, we're both on the same page.
Speaker 3:I'm mad at Trump right now too, because he went you know, he gave Google a pass, you know for a million dollar donation to his library. And oh, it's okay with you now, president Trump. But what about all those girls that are getting deplatformed? What about all of us that are censored? We can't even say the word sex anymore, although I am really to be honest with you. One text message from the president. I hope that doesn't get me killed.
Speaker 2:No, true story Really.
Speaker 3:Is that going?
Speaker 1:to be in the book Little me. But it'll be in the book, right I?
Speaker 3:don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you can reveal it all right here.
Speaker 3:You know what It'll come out. Yeah, it will. All right, it's not like. It's not like. It's not a thing. That it's not like Stormy Daniels kind of thing. Although I was supposed to be there. I was supposed to be up at that golf tournament with Stormy Daniels and I said, no, golfers, don't spend any money apparently these ones did and I don't.
Speaker 3:Politicians, I'll get you, you'll get killed. No politicians, entertainers or athletes. Athletes, no, no, you just like the regular average joe right, yeah, yeah, no. Athletes and entertainers they have groupies so they don't spend money. And uh, politicians, you'll get killed, man.
Speaker 1:So there you go. Uh, okay, one more on this or that. All right, one One more, oh. But well, you said that one of your favorite places to go is San Diego and you prefer a beach resort. For me, my favorite place ever to vacation is Cancun.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I love the beaches in Cancun, yeah, yeah. But I'm more of a lake guy because I don't surf. I love to water ski, so I do that. So I prefer the lake.
Speaker 3:I like the sound of the ocean soothing, tremendous, tremendous.
Speaker 1:Yes, it can be so soothing and relaxing. Yeah, absolutely Okay, all right, last one on this or that Day or night.
Speaker 3:Day. All right, yeah, I'm scared of the dark.
Speaker 1:I don't believe that.
Speaker 3:I am, yeah, I get up with the sun. I like to go to bed with the sun, get up and go to sleep with the sun.
Speaker 1:All right, so I never really was a night girl, well in all transparency, this isn't early in the morning, or it wasn't when we got started anyway, but it is in the morning, so we're both morning people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like the peace in the morning before the world really starts. You know I like that peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I'm a delivery driver for cisco food service. That's my monday through friday job, okay, and uh, I started oh dark 30 most of the time. So there's been doing it, for I've been in this business for 39 years, so it's there's something about just being being out and being up before the rest of the world.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like having that time to yourself you know before the world starts getting busy and then you know when people start shuffling and and and and, moving around and going to work in my. You know it's like yeah get out of my way people. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right. So now one more, one more. Okay, Out the island questions. Okay, so you're going to go live the rest of your life on a, on a, on a, on an island, and you're going to be by yourself. So what, what food are you going to take with you to sustain yourself?
Speaker 3:probably something that I could use the seeds to keep growing, most of right okay, so that's not a bad idea, that's not a bad thought. See, here I'm thinking because it's you know, it's got protein and good fats and you can grow. Use that pit to grow yeah, you're right, you could.
Speaker 1:You could grow another avocado tree. There you go, you're done, you're sustained the rest of your life, and avocados are pretty good anyway. Right, all right. What candy bar are you going to take? Hershey's, just a regular. Hershey's chocolate bar Just a regular Hershey's, no, that's.
Speaker 3:I like the consistency of the little Hershey's. I got addicted. Anything I just I like the consistency of like the little Hershey's. I got addicted to these for a while. The little Hershey's that come in a flat and they just melt perfectly on your mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. Okay, what book are you going to take to read?
Speaker 3:You know what? I've never read the Bible.
Speaker 1:So why not right it?
Speaker 3:would force me to read it, and there's a million ways to interpret it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, all right. Greatest story ever told.
Speaker 3:I've never read that all the way through. It's so bad. I shouldn't have said that my sponsor would kill me.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:They're both the same. They're both the same to me, the Bible.
Speaker 1:What CD or album are you going to take to listen to? Well, what kind of music do you like?
Speaker 3:I like all kinds of music. My playlist, my favorite songs right now. Should I go over them real quick? Sure, let me tell you what my favorite songs are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we're going to get Air Force Amy's playlist right now, so everybody take note. Grab a pen and paper.
Speaker 3:My favorite songs right now I have um, I guess that's why they call it the blues by Elton John. Yeah, no, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:I like that one and my glasses. See, I don a good one, I like that one and my glasses one. See, I don't shy away, I just put my glasses on because I can't see a darn thing. See, I thought you had good vision.
Speaker 3:No, I Can't Get Next to you. The Temptations oh A Broken Bells by Greta Van Fleet. Do you know Greta Van Fleet?
Speaker 1:I know the band. I don't know that particular song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they're good Song. Sung Blue by Neil Diamond.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, that might have been the first Neil Diamond song I ever heard as a kid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't you just love it. Oh, my God, I love him.
Speaker 1:That's a really good song, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, With a little help from my friends Joe Cocker.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, papa was a rolling stone by the temptations.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, all right yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, um, too good to go by is by Sam Smith.
Speaker 1:I don't know that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know it. Um, now know that one. Yeah, you know it. Now that the magic has gone, joe Cocker again, you can call me Al Paul Simon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3:Twist and Shout by the Beatles.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Crocodile Rock Crocodile.
Speaker 1:Rock EJ.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got a lot of Joe Cocker in here, Gloria by them. Free Fallin' Tom Petty.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Maggie Mae, Rod Stewart. Yeah, Franklin's Tower Grateful Dead. The same love that made me laugh, Bill Withers.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, I don't know if I know that one let's see how it goes.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, I don't know if I know that one. Let's see how it goes. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And I dig me some. Bill Withers, you know you're all over the place with that, with your playlist.
Speaker 2:Nice, yeah, all right Nice.
Speaker 1:You are, you're all over the place, but it's a. It's a.
Speaker 3:It's a good collection, but and here's the thing I play the same like every day. Like I'm in the shower boom, so I hear like the first five songs every day. I know exactly what song is coming next.
Speaker 1:I'm the same way I I. I like something, and you know, look, I. I grew up listening to albums and, and and sitting on the bed.
Speaker 3:What's that?
Speaker 1:you grew up listening to eight tracks no, I remember the eight tracks I did have. I only, but I only had a few of those, because I didn't like the way that they changed in the middle of it. They changed in the middle of the song, you know okay, it was just easier to put an album on.
Speaker 1:But but uh, you know that's. That's when I grew up listening to all that stuff in the 70s. You got a really good mix a little 60s, little 70s, 80s yeah, so yeah, we're, we're both right in the fleet. Yeah, I love that little guy yeah, we're both right there, so there's another band that's new.
Speaker 3:It's called Feel. They sound like Led Zeppelin, a lot of Led Zeppelin sounding rock and roll coming back. I like that.
Speaker 1:You had your playlist, but you didn't tell me what CD or album you're going to take to the island.
Speaker 3:Neil Diamond.
Speaker 1:Ooh, neil Diamond.
Speaker 3:Yeah, classic Neil Diamond Like a greatest hits package from Neil, because then you get everything right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:It makes you happy, it makes me happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, neil and Neil, just I mean so much it makes me happy. Yeah, neil and Neil's just I mean so much over his entire career. Yeah, okay, one movie. What movie are you going to take?
Speaker 3:Forrest Gump or stepbrothers, I still make up the Forrest Gump of brothels.
Speaker 1:Well, you know you've got that story, so yeah, why not? And if there was one person that you could have on the island with you for conversational purposes only, who would that be?
Speaker 3:conversational purposes only. Who would that be?
Speaker 1:Tucker Carlson. All right, okay, great.
Speaker 3:Or Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1:Either one you can talk to forever. That's true. That is true. You know what this has been so much fun.
Speaker 3:Tell everybody where they can find Air Force Amy, air Force Amycom and join my membership. And I'm really trying to put it together myself before the A&E comes out next week. You know I hired someone to put to install the membership site and all the questions they asked were like well, what are the deliverables? I'm like fuck, I need to learn how to install it myself to tell you how to install it. So I'm installing it myself. Hopefully I get it up and done by Thursday and join it and really enjoy what I put out there. I have a lot of content.
Speaker 1:Well, you have a great looking website. It's a great looking website? No, it is, it is. You know? Yeah, I mean, I just was going through it yesterday and it is. It's a really, really good website.
Speaker 3:Well, thanks, thanks, I did it myself.
Speaker 1:Look, there's a lot of people out there that don't you know, with maybe even more notoriety or more recognition than you and you know, not nearly as uh uh elaborate of a website.
Speaker 3:So very elaborate, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really good. It's really good Um.
Speaker 3:I happen to really dislike webmasters my own webmaster I like. I love them to death, but any other ones I've met they're just snakes in the grass.
Speaker 1:I just tell you really snakes yeah well, this is an in-house program here, so everything I do it's like I, it's like me, or my wife, katherine, and she's actually the one that does most of it. She's better at it than I am.
Speaker 3:That's nice yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, I just, I would like to get a better website myself. Well, one of these days we'll work on that.
Speaker 3:I don't have much. If you have WordPress, you just do it yourself. Now, with Divi, I'm doing it, you know you can drop blocks into it. There's a whole lot easier than what it used to be. It's just like and then plus. You know ai is going to make it so much simpler ai grok is my go-to man.
Speaker 1:Helps build your website in like five minutes helps me everything I have.
Speaker 3:you know I keep grok open while I'm doing mom building or writing or anything and I just go back and forth. I have conversations, everything about me. Brock knows more than my therapist.
Speaker 1:I don't know how good that is, would you say that was crack Crack on Twitter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the AI that Twitter is Elon oh not crack.
Speaker 1:Okay, great, okay, all right. So basically we want people to just go to airforceamycom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's going to have the latest.
Speaker 1:Great, the latest and greatest on airforceamycom. Stick around just for a minute. I'm going to close up shop, but stick around for me okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, thank you, it's been such a pleasure. It's been such a joy to talk to you. Oh well, thank you, it's been such a pleasure You've been such a joy to talk to. Oh well, thank you, thank you, I you know.
Speaker 1:look, I just I appreciate your time and I didn't look. I'm not a gotcha person or anything like that, I just want to have nice conversation.
Speaker 3:Very nice and I really appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Very kind of you to say thank you. So listen everybody. That's a wrap. As you know, this program is available wherever you get your podcasts. Once again, just search the Ben Maynard program. Boom, it's right there. Whatever platform you're using, just subscribe to it. Okay, subscribe to it. You'll get notification when new episodes drop. Give me a five-star rating too, all right. And look, leave a review, why not? But if you can't resist some of this right here and a little bit of that right over there it's probably more of that than this OK, then you watch it on YouTube. Then please subscribe to the channel. All right, subscribe to the channel. You know I'm on a campaign. I'm trying to get 500 subscribers before the end of the year. Okay, yeah, I'm trying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm trying, you're taking over with that?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I'll take anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really interact on YouTube channels with the comments. I really like to interact with the fans and the viewers, so go ahead and leave a comment, all right yeah, see, if Amy says subscribe, you got to subscribe.
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