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EP. 102 KISS Alive! at 50: How One Live Album Changed Music History
Fifty years ago, a struggling band in makeup and platform boots released an album that would not only save their career but reshape music history. KISS Alive, celebrating its golden anniversary this month, stands as perhaps the most consequential live album ever recorded.
Before September 1975, KISS had released three studio albums that failed to capture the explosive energy of their theatrical live shows. The band was considering leaving their label, Casablanca Records, which was teetering on bankruptcy. In a last-ditch effort, they released a double live album that finally delivered what fans had been experiencing at concerts—the raw power, the showmanship, and the spectacle that made KISS legendary.
From the moment J.R. Smalling's voice announces "You wanted the best and you got it, the hottest band in the land—KISS!" and the band rips into "Deuce," listeners were transported. The album packaging was equally revolutionary, featuring personal notes from each band member and an eight-page color booklet that made fans feel part of something special. Songs like "Got to Choose," "Black Diamond," and "Rock and Roll All Nite" found their definitive versions here, far surpassing their studio counterparts.
What makes KISS Alive truly remarkable goes beyond the music. Its success not only catapulted the band to worldwide fame but saved Casablanca Records, allowing them to merge with Filmworks and, remarkably, sign the disco artists who would define the late 70s—Donna Summer, Village People, and Parliament among them. Without four guys in makeup playing rock and roll, disco might never have reached its cultural zenith.
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Speaker 1:Okay, let's see Wednesday of this week, wednesday, september, the 10th. September the 10th celebrated the 50th anniversary of the release of this album right here, kiss Alive. Many of you probably have this. For those of you who don't out there, stick around because this is cool stuff. This album right here, kiss Alive, it's the fourth album in the band's catalog and it's their first live album. I say first live because they've got about six of them, so it's all good stuff, but first live album in their catalog and it's coming off the heels of their first three releases. Their debut album self-titled, the Hotter Than Hell album, both those released in 1974. And then earlier this year, in March of 75, they released their third studio album, which was Dressed to Kill studio album, which was Dressed to Kill.
Speaker 1:None of those albums really did much for sales and at the time that Dressed to Kill was being recorded, the record label Casablanca was in pretty bad financial shape. So the president of the company, owner of the company, neil Bogart, he, um, he took the task of, or he tasked himself with, actually being the producer on the album. Now I'll say he didn't do a bad job. Hang on, something's on my screen here, let me get it off. Pops up on my side but not your side, but it's distracting. Okay, it's gone Anyhow. So, um, so I have to say, of those first three studio albums, dressed to Kill does have the best production on it. It, um, yeah. So you know, kudos to, uh, kudos to Neil for getting that done. And rock and Roll All Night was the lone single.
Speaker 1:But at this time nothing was working for the band, not in well in regards to sales. Nothing seemed to be working for the band. So let's fast forward to September of 75. The financial situation of Casablanca was unchanged and in fact it was probably worse. The band themselves. They were considering leaving the label this album here. This was actually a last ditch effort to um, to show the public or to, to, to break the band um, and and show the music lovers out there what this band was really all about.
Speaker 1:So the you know the thing was is that in in 75, kiss had established themselves as a great live act, a spectacle to see. People were talking about their live show. They had been tossed off of a few tours because the headliners felt as though they were being upstaged by this young, hungry, very aggressive band. However, it wasn't translating to record. Sales had to do with the sound difference between their live performance and what was happening in the studio was vastly different. Especially on those first two albums, as I said, the debut album and Hotter Than Hell, the production was really bad. It's just really bad production. I mean, it's kind of neat to go back and listen to them a little bit, just for nostalgia reasons, but the production is terrible. The band seems to almost be playing in slow motion too. So it did pick up with Dressed to Kill and it showed in the sales. The first album was terrible as far as sales. Same thing with Hotter Than Hell. Dressed to Kill improved a little bit, but still not enough to where the label could actually afford to pay the band royalties on their stuff.
Speaker 1:So it just I don't know, know one of those things. Now you take kiss alive and drop the needle on this thing and it's like nothing that you'd ever heard before to this point. You know, jr smalling, you, you drop the needle and JR Smalling belts out. You wanted the best and you got it. The hottest band of the land, kiss and then it rips right into Deuce and you are off and running and it's like whoa, holy cow. It's just like I said, it's something like you just haven't heard to this point. And I know that the band changed that mantra. They changed their introduction afterwards. As a matter of fact, on Alive 2, that introduction changes and I'm sure a lot of it had to do with this album. We'll get into it. But it changed from you wanted the best, you got it to. You wanted the best and you got the best, and instead of the hottest band in the land, it went the hottest band in the world, world, and which in 77, that was absolutely the case. So let's take a look at this thing. All right, great cover.
Speaker 1:And you know, I, I I've got like three copies of this I don't know how or why and I went and I ordered another one on eBay hoping to have it before I hit record on this episode. It didn't happen, and the reason why I had done that is I thought I was going through these I don't know, maybe I just can't see anymore, but I needed the booklet. I needed the book that came along with the album, and I didn't think I had it, so I ordered another one. Cost me $35 plus shipping, I think. It cost me a total of like 40, 42, $44, something like that, and I thought I was going to get it, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:So shortly before I come into the studio here, start and start getting ready to roll, I thought, okay, one last ditch effort, let's, let's grab a copy of kiss alive. I grabbed the first one. In fact it's right here. Let me see, uh, there it is, there it is. I grabbed this one and I'm looking through it and it's got the paper, original paper sleeves for the albums and and it's all good and everything, and it's. I mean. I mean, look it's. It's not in great shape, but the thing is 50 years old too. But I didn't want to bring break this one out because it's got a sticker right here, not on the cellophane, on the album cover itself come on, who does that? But it says especially priced two records set, including an, uh, eight page color booklet. Anyway, enough of that one, let's set it right here, I guess. So I grabbed the one that didn't have the sticker in the corner and started thumbing through it and, lo and behold, there it was. There it was, the booklet was right in there, so okay.
Speaker 1:So what do you think of when you first see this cover? This cover is dynamite. Now, of course, it's a staged shot, you know, that's that's. You know a photo shoot basically. But man, what a presence that is, what a picture to see. That, you know. And when I mean that, I mean those four guys right there and that's. I've seen Kiss many, many times and that's pretty much it, right there. However, this is definitely a stage shot because those guys, well, certainly in later years, when they had a lot more money, they spent more time away from each other because the stages were so much bigger.
Speaker 1:But the funny thing is, a lot of people say, oh yeah, no, there's definitely had to be a stage shot because Ace Frehley, his guitar is all backwards, turned upside down, those kinds of things. Yeah, that is true. Um, I'm sure that it had to do with the fact that he's just holding the guitar there. You know, he's just, he's just holding it to turn it over. It's no big deal. And when you're you know, I think I was, I think I was 11 when I got this album, because I did not get it in 75. You don't even pay attention to those things, you just don't.
Speaker 1:So when you take a look at the inner cover of this album, it opens up like so nice. Well, let's, we can look at the back picture first. Let's look at the back picture. You see those two young guys holding up their homemade kiss banner on the back and uh, those guys, apparently I mean, I've seen, I've seen like posts, uh, facebook posts and all that kind of stuff apparently they still have that banner. They don't look anything like that now, but apparently they still have that banner. I've seen postings, anything like that now, but apparently they still have that banner. I've seen postings of it and I think, just think that is so cool because that's iconic, right there. Come on, you serious, that's great Anyway.
Speaker 1:So let's open this thing up, and then I'll get into a little history on this too. So you open up the cover and on the front side of it you see, I shouldn't say the front side, but you open it up and on your left, as you open it, because we always read from left to right, there's some notes from the guys in the band. They're supposed to be personal notes. And then on the right side, here they've got pictures of the first three studio releases. Side, here they've got pictures of the first three studio releases. So of course they're going to continue to pitch. You know the Kiss stuff, just, and that's the way it is.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing I wanted to bring band Slade. Slade had a live album called Slade Alive, with the exclamation point so this is kind of their homage or homage, whatever homage. We'll go with homage, all right. Sometimes you say you're paying homage to somebody but then you say, oh, it's their homage, whatever, anyway, so, um, so that was number one, and then two that the album cover, especially the inner cover of the gatefold I should say Eightfold, I should say of the of the album, was very much inspired by Uriah Heep's live album in January of 73. It came out two years prior. As I knocked everything over, gosh, I'm so professional here, anyway. So let me get my, let me get my spit screen. This is great. But that's why we record live. We just we record live, we go with it. No edits, no, nothing warts and all.
Speaker 1:So you open up the gatefold on this and you'll see there's a little biography on each of the guys in Uriah Heep, ergo personal letters from the guys in KISS, from each member of the band, and then you've got like an eight-page color booklet here of Uriah Heep, of the band. All right, individual. You've got individual shots. Let's see, yeah, you've got individual shots of the guys in the band, and then you've got one stage, one full stage shot from back up behind it behind the band. So you've got that. Then you've got more a collage of pictures here, the band.
Speaker 1:And then here you go, albums. You know the pre, the back catalog of the band. So the difference here, though, is that this color booklet is actually stapled into the album cover itself, where the booklet for Kiss Al alive came completely separate, and it's right here. So we just kind of see those comparisons. Um, it's a, it's just that's, that's just beautiful. You pull that sucker out and look at that logo. That's just great stuff, great stuff. Um, and I'm glad I found this, because I I started to dig out, um, my booklet for my cd, and that's just really hard to see on camera here.
Speaker 1:So we open it up. From left to right, we've got Gene Simmons looking menacing, got Peter Criss behind his Pearl drum kit. Then let's see what do we have there? We've got a collage of the band all live shots, of course, or supposed to be live shots. Anyway, I love, I love the fire on on each side. I just think that's awesome.
Speaker 1:And when you're like 11 years old, you're looking at this stuff, you're going, oh man, that is so cool. Oh yeah, I didn't even write, I didn't even realize there's a shot of Jean down here, right down here, spitting fire. I love it, that's great. Um, then you've got Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley. Now I'll say that, oh, okay, let's just go to the back cover, right there, and there's the band on stage. Okay, so very much inspired by Uriah Heep 1973.
Speaker 1:But I will say here, this one shot of Ace Frehley, even from I mean that point I never paid attention. But as I got more into Kiss, like with, you know, the, the the next few albums that I got, that one picture of Ace Frehley is the only picture of Ace Frehley that in my estimation, it doesn't even look like him. It looks nothing like him. I don't know, maybe he didn't show up for the photo shoot, but that's the only one. Every other picture that you that I have ever seen of Ace Frehley in the band, full makeup, all that stuff always looks like him. This particular picture, I just I've never been sold on it. It's, it's ace, maybe it's not, who knows? Uh, all right, so let's get back to this gatefold on the alive album. All right, I think let me put my glasses on. This is good, this is cool. This is cool.
Speaker 1:And when you're, you know, when you're a kid, you're 11 years old, and you're looking at this stuff here and these are supposed to be a little personal notes from the band and this is supposed to be just, you know, they're pouring themselves out to the fans and telling you how much they love you and all this kind of crazy stuff. So the first little note, and they're supposed to be all handwritten from each guy in the band and they actually do look like at least the signatures that well, the writing as well. If you have seen more writing from each member of the band as the years gone on, then you can say, yeah, they probably did write these. Let's see the first one. Dear Earthlings, the gravity on Earth isn't quite the same as it is on my planet, but I'm slowly getting used to it.
Speaker 1:I always wanted to play lead guitar and express myself, usually to an audience. When I play guitar on stage it's like making love. If you're good, you get off every time. Thanks for helping me get off, love, ace. I wish I could have injected that New York accent from Ace, that accent that he had being from the Bronx, and his cackle too. Wish I could have done that. Can't do it, I'm not even going to attempt it. All right Next, hi cat people. Well, you should get your claws into this album. I know it's going to make your tails stand straight up. The cat himself stalked it from front to back and it tested great. So all you alley cats and palm cats rock your rolls right off or should I say tails. Love ya, your silver-nosed tomcat, peter Criss.
Speaker 1:I don't think I have read these since I was like 12. This is all new again. All right, the third one, dear victims. Oh, I wonder who that's from. I love to do all those deliciously painful things to you that make you writhe and groan in ecstasy. Groan in ecstasy. My spiked seven inch boot heels are at the ready should you be in the mood for heavy sport, and my mouth is there to tell you all horrible things you never thought you'd hear, but love hearing. I can see you from the corners of my eyes and I know what to do when the lights go out. I bleed for you and breathe fire for you. And you wonder if I'm crazy. I am Gene Simmons. Okay, let's see. And last but not least, my dear lovers, nothing arouses me more than seeing you getting off on me. It makes me work that much harder to please you. My body is yours, yours is mine. We explode together. When I'm on stage, I'm yours. Take me, paul Stanley. All right, like I said, I don't think I've read those since maybe I was 12. Yeah, that's great. That is great stuff, all right.
Speaker 1:So this is where I heard all of the early stuff from Kiss was off of Alive. Before I actually heard any of the three studio albums prior to this, I heard all of this stuff on Kiss Alive. So, as a matter of fact, I believe Kiss Alive was the first album from the band that I got and I probably I didn't get. Like I said, I didn't get it in 75. I think I got it in 76. I remember my uncle Scott having this album and that's where I first heard it. And, uh, so I dug it, was able to get it. And then, um, I think after that, I, I, I actually got, I think I got Destroyer. And then I went backwards and started to get the first three studio albums.
Speaker 1:I do remember putting on, you know, dropping the needle on the debut album and Strutters yeah, strutters, the first song, and it kicked in and I was like what is this? Do I have the album on the wrong speed? You know, is there something slower than 33? It just sounded horrible, horribly slow. And then even to my you know, 11, 12 year old ears, slow. And then even to my you know, 11, 12 year old ears, I, I, just, I knew, I just it wasn't for me. Obviously I got used to it because it was my band, so I was going to listen to all that stuff because of course, it had songs on on that album, on the subsequent album, hotter than hell and dressed to kill, that were not on kissive. So I put up with it, I dealt with it. But yeah, I just, I don't know I this definitely is a landmark album in in, in in music history.
Speaker 1:And I'll let's go over the track listing first. Okay it is, it's just a landmark album One because, like I said, this thing, this thing catapulted the band and put them into um, a stratosphere that, um, I mean, made them the hottest band in the world. This was the one that did it, and so let's go through the track listing. Okay, so it starts off with that great JR Smalling introduction and then it kicks right into deuce. Deuce has been a show opener like since day one. Um, if it's not deuce, it's detroit rock city. Yes, I know there was some time in the 80s where either it was detroit rock, um love gun, but um, yeah, deuce has been just a solid show opener for pretty much all 50 years that the, that that the band was out, out, uh, touring Um.
Speaker 1:So it starts off with Deuce, then it kicks into strutter such a good song and then, of course, has to go into Paul Stanley's stage raps how y'all feel, or something like that. How does this one go? He's had some incredible stage raps and sometimes I get them mixed up, but then it kicks into Got to Choose. Sometimes I get them mixed up, but then it kicks into got to choose one of my absolute favorite kiss songs of all time, one of my favorites. Love that song, love it, love it, love it, love it so much, it is so good. Um, then hotter than hell, and then firehouse. And Firehouse is the song that at the end, gene would spit fire and breathe fire and it was all over. That was just great, great song. To set that up.
Speaker 1:Then we flipped the album over. Yep, that's what we do, kiddies. Okay, that's what us old folks have always done, is turn the album over. You've got nothing to lose. To start off side two, which you know I think I've said this before nothing to lose, okay, I mean, it's, it's a good song and I like the fact that, um, you know, uh, peter takes the lead on this one and, but I don't know, it's just, it's just never been one of my favorites. I can take it or leave it, I don't know why.
Speaker 1:And then it kicks into another absolute favorite of mine, so catchy, so good, and this version here on a live is better than the studio version. And it's come on and love me. And, um, if I, if it was off the first, the first album, or or hotter than hell, you could definitely say, oh, yeah, definitely better than the studio version. But because the change in producers on Dressed to Kill, the production or the tempo was a little better and the production, of course, was better. The sound was a little better. It seemed to be cleaner, even though at times I said it sounded I don't want to say it sounded like it was in mono, but but um, cause it wasn't, but it's kind of kind of had that sound a little bit, but but much, much better. But this version's great, oh, so good. And then we kick into parasite. A great song, um, great, great great song. And then an even better song side to ends with she. Um is an extended version than um, than the studio version from dress to kill, because it's got that, it's got aces guitar solo at the end, which I think is oh geez, I think that was acrobat, I think was the name of that, that guitar solo initially. I think that's what it was, I can't recall. It's just what happens when you get old Then we take the album off and we have to put on album number two.
Speaker 1:So we moved to side three opens up with a really really cool song. Opens up with a really really cool song Watching you Really cool, great Gene song. And then the legendary, the classic, 100,000 Years, every kid, every 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 year old kid was just trying to emulate that drum solo, peter Criss's great drum solo, on a hundred thousand years. It's, it's just, it's legendary. What I liked about it? I liked the fact that the song was like I don't know, I think it's like 12 minutes long the entire song and of course on the debut album it's three and a half 12 minutes long the entire song and of course on the debut album it's three and a half. But this was a song where Peter could actually shine and brought this great drum solo great, very, very tribal, the beats in it very, very tribal. And I didn't realize that till much later. I did, just didn't click. But, um, then you've got just all the legendary rapping from from Paul Stanley.
Speaker 1:Oh, all right, how y'all doing, or wait, wait, um, how's that go? Let me see, I got a question for all you how many people here like to party? Yeah, everyone screams. And he says I got a question for all you people over here. I want to know how many people over here like to get high. And then they all scream. Of course I got a question for all you people right over here and that me, I think. He says something like and that means you too, up there, or something like that. And then he says what does he say? Wait, how's that go? How many people, how many people shoot? I just lost it, I don't know how. Oh gosh, I can't remember. I'm losing it right here. Live, but that's all right, but it's so great.
Speaker 1:And then you know, basically you get it, gets into. You know gosh, what was it? It makes some noise, whatever. How many people here like, oh, like rock and roll, or something? And they're all screaming. He says no, no, no, no. I know you can do better than that, so we're going to try it again now. I want you all to count your breath, because here it comes, yeah, ready, rock and roll. And then they all shout oh, I love it, I love it, it's so good. I know I completely screwed it up and I say I'm a kiss fan, come on, really. Yeah, anyhow, um. So then we uh end that tremendous a hundred thousand years and, um, we roll right into black diamond and that is so, it's just.
Speaker 1:And that again, that's another one of my favorite KISS songs. That's probably, you know, deuce Got to Choose Black Diamond. Those are probably like top five KISS songs for me of all time. They really are. Those are probably all three of those are probably in the top five. Now I have to admit though and I have before this is not my favorite version of black diamond. It's. It's a great version, it really is. But my favorite version of black diamond and a lot of people aren't crazy about this one is off of kiss alive for uh with the symphony and uh, I just think that's I, I think Peter's just going all out on that and uh, just, and maybe it's just because the sound of it it seems to be bigger, the definitely with the with the full on orchestra, it's just. I think it makes it sound even heavier, um, it gives it a grander sound, and I think that's why I enjoy it so much more. But I, I like peter's vocals on that, his delivery, he's just like I said, he's given everything he has, probably because he knows that his contract is up and he's gonna be leaving the band, so, um, anyway. So that's side three.
Speaker 1:Now what do we gotta do, kitties? We gotta flip over. Got to go grab it and turn it over. Then we start off side four with Rock. Bottom Love that song. I only wish that they had included the full intro on here. I don't know if they initially played it live and then just kind of edited out when they put the album together, but it is such a cool intro and it should have just remained on. You know, maybe, like I said, maybe they just didn't play it live, but it would have been really, really cool to hear that live.
Speaker 1:Then we get into the great cold gin. How many people here? Okay was, how many people here? It's tequila is the second one and it's like not, not like vodka. How many people here? I don't know, whatever it is, I could do that again.
Speaker 1:And then we get into rock and roll all night the live version, of course, which was released as a single on this album, and it actually did gain some traction. That that was uh. That one was kind of. Really what uh also helped this album out was the live version of this song of, or I should say of, rock and roll all night. Um, that helped it along, it along, and um, um, a great version. It is a great version, not my favorite version of the song.
Speaker 1:My favorite version of this song is on kiss alive three. Don't know why it just is. I just like it better. I don't know. I think it was. I can't say. I think that was during a time when Kiss was bringing back some of the stuff from the 70s, because during the whole 80s they got away from a lot of the 70s songs, especially songs like Deuce and Rock and Roll All Night. A little bit, not much, because you can see right here, rock and Roll All Night is not the last song on the album, so it wasn't even now. It was an encore song, because you can tell that they leave the stage or whatever after Cold Gin and then they come back and they do rock and roll all night, but it wasn't the closing song. The closing song on this album is let me go rock and roll, so it didn't become like the last song in the set until much later, much later. So anyway, but I do a kiss alive three. That's. That's the version for rock and roll all night. For me that's the one um this album right here.
Speaker 1:Like I said, it catapulted the band into, like you know, the hottest band in the world by 77. They were the hottest band in the world. Not only did it catapult the band into worldwide success and one of the biggest bands of all time. But without this album here, casablanca Records, they would not have merged with a small indie company, would not have merged with a small indie company, a film company called Filmworks, and they would not have had two hit movies, which were the Deep and Midnight Express. Yeah, so this album saved the label. Okay, undoubtedly saved Casablanca records.
Speaker 1:But did you know that the success of Kiss Alive can be linked to the rise of disco? Bet you didn't know that. Almost knocked the microphone over again, but I'll bet you didn't know that, because without this album, without the success of Kiss Alive, the likes of Donna Summer, the Village People, lips Inc, parliament and several others, they may not have ever, ever been heard from, I mean, who knows? So it's just crazy to think about that. Right, it's crazy because you had some of the biggest disco acts on Casablanca Records. I think even Cher had a contract. I think she was signed by Casablanca for a period of time as well, but I'm not considering her disco. So you know, I just wanted to to share a little bit about kiss alive in this album and that how it celebrates 50 years is get 50 years. Can you believe that? I cannot believe that 50 years and the songs still sound so good. Songs still sound so good.
Speaker 1:Admittedly, if you'll have to go back way back in the history of this podcast and listen to my ranking of the Kiss Live albums, I'm not going to tell you where this one ranks, but you should, especially since we're celebrating Kiss Alive and we're celebrating the live albums. It's a good one. There's a lot of good stuff in there and we talk about, like I don't know, six live albums in the Kiss catalog. Some of you may not even know that there were six live albums in the Kiss catalog. Some of you may not even know that there were six live albums in the Kiss catalog, and I'm not counting Kiss Instant Live that you got at the show or what was the other one. There was another company that did it as well. I'm not even counting those, not even counting those.
Speaker 1:But great album, great songs, an incredibly important album in history, because without it, record company goes belly up and because there was a little, there was very little success in record sales with kiss. Who knows another? They may not have picked up, uh, been picked up by another record company, you never know. So it's just the way things work out. Um, and thanks to kiss alive, we got 50 more years of this band, you know, and a lot of good stuff, just a, just a great catalog, you know, and uh, a lot of good stuff for us kiss fans to really dive into and enjoy.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, there you go, kiss Alive turning 50, okay, we're going to close up shop right here, but before I let you go, I want to remind you all that Saturday October 4th I'm going to say it every episode mark it on your calendars. Mark Saturday October 4th on your calendars, 9 am Pacific time. Be a live stream in this studio with Sheriff Chad Bianco. Okay, 2026 gubernatorial candidate. All right, he's going to be live in this, right in that chair. There we are going to be just two feet from each other, two feet. It's going to be great. So I want you all here, I want you to have your questions lined up, your comments lined up, whatever it is, okay, yeah, so with that we're out of here. Okay Again.
Speaker 1:And as you know, this program is available wherever you get your podcast. Just search the Ben Maynard program Boom, it's right there and subscribe to it. You get notifications every time a new episode drops. Next, you can't resist this and if you're watching, you definitely can't resist. So thanks for watching on youtube, but you have to subscribe to the channel, hit the notification bell and get it done, all right. Then you got to give me a thumbs up and you gotta leave a comment. And leave some comments on this album right here.
Speaker 1:Come on, I know you guys have something to say on Kiss Alive, so let's get that done. And then you have to tell 1,000 of your family and friends Okay, just 1,000, because you know 1,000. I know I asked a lot with the 10,000 thing, but I backed off because it's hard. I don't even know 10,000 people. So 1,000 of your family and friends. You gotta tell them about this podcast and you gotta tell them to do the same thing you're doing, which is subscribing to this, okay. Last but not least, follow me on Instagram. All one word Ben Maynard Program. Or follow me on TikTok, or both. The Ben Maynard Program. That's the handle there, all right? So, in and out, all right, we're done. I appreciate you being here spending some time celebrating this right here, this wonderful album, kiss Alive, which turns 50. Can you believe it? No way. Anyway, thanks again. I'll see you next time. This is the Ben Maynard program. Tell a friend.