EP. 107 "GALE BIRD"....Country Music, Faith, Marriage and Real-Life Stories

What if a country song could change the way you love the people closest to you? We sit down with Josh Gale and Sean Monahan of Charleston’s Gale Bird to unpack their high-energy live show, the heart behind their new single “Roses,” and why they reject the “Christian country” box while still writing about what God cares about: marriage, courage, humility, and hope.

From the first riff, you’ll hear what sets them apart—lush harmonies, big-time guitar solos, and a commitment to excellence that lowers defenses in the room. Josh and Sean share how they write from personal need, not market trends, turning private lessons into public lyrics that feel like the words you meant to say yesterday. “Roses” is a simple, urgent message: stop waiting for the perfect moment to speak love. Say it now, before time runs out. That theme expands into a candid talk about pride, why men hold back praise, and how intentionality can do what emotions won’t.

We go behind the scenes of their process: a label push to deliver twenty songs in six months, early mornings at the gym, client work in web and PR, session gigs, and carving out studio time between family schedules. They open up about industry realities—venue closures, insurance costs, and why streams don’t pay the bills—and make a clear case for how fans can keep new music alive: buy merch, bring friends, and support club shows. Along the way, we trace their influences from the Eagles and Skynyrd to Queen and Lincoln Brewster, and explore how a great live show can turn into life-giving conversations on the ride home.

If you love alternative country with real lyrics and big musicianship, or you just need a nudge to say the thing that matters, this conversation will stick. Stream “Roses,” check out Gale Bird’s catalog, and tell us the line that hit you hardest. If you enjoyed this, subscribe, leave a five-star review, and share it with a friend who needs some courage today.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome, Subscriptions, And Housekeeping
• 1:50 Meet Gail Bird: Josh And Sean
• 3:10 What Genre Are We? Country, Not Boxed
• 6:20 Music As A Doorway To Marriage And Faith
• 10:00 Writing From Need, Not Trend
• 12:45 “Roses” Theme: Say It Before It’s Too Late
• 16:10 Pride, Men, And Intentional Love
• 21:05 Process, Deadlines, And Label Push
• 24:00 Friendship, Hiatus, And Restart
• 26:30 Balancing Music With Work And Family
• 30:10 Studio Gigs, Clients, And Flexibility
• 33:40 Influences: From Lincoln Brewster To Queen
• 38:20 Eagles, Skynyrd, And Live Show Energy
• 42:20 Keep Writing: Catalogs, Touring, And Truth
• 46:30 Testimony, Upbringing, And Discipleship
• 52:00 Being Set Apart And Leading At Home
• 56:00 Coaching Kids And Speaking Life
• 1:00:20 Industry Reality And Venue Challenges
• 1:05:20 Support Artists: Merch, Tickets, Community
• 1:10:00 Lightning Rounds And Island Picks
• 1:16:30 Closing Plugs And Where To Find Gail Bird

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:09

Hey there. Welcome into the Ben Maynard program. Thanks for being here. Greatly appreciate it. We have a we have a really good one today, and I know you guys are going to enjoy it. But before we get into it, uh some business we got to take care of first. As you know, this program is available wherever you stream your podcast. Uh just search the Ben Maynard program. Boom, it's right there. Go with it. Uh, but do me a favor, subscribe to it. No matter what platform you're using, subscribe to it, download it also. I'll get into that some other time. Downloads are important. So download it. Um, leave me a five-star rating because I deserve it. And um yeah, and then there you go. Um, but however, if you can't resist this right here and you're watching on YouTube, thanks again for doing that. But subscribe to the channel, give me a thumbs up, and leave a comment. All right. I reply to all of your comments, and then you have to tell a thousand of your family and friends about this really cool guy. Well, he's okay, but the podcast is better than the than the host, actually. Uh, let's see. Last but not least, follow me on Instagram, all one word Ben Maynard program, and uh where I'm a little more active on the TikTok, and that's the Ben Maynard program. All right. So plenty of ways to take in this show for your dancing and listening pleasure. And as I said, we've got a really good one. I've got a couple of guys here uh that I'm gonna bring in in just a second. Um uh yeah, you're gonna really dig it. You're gonna dig the stories, and I can't wait to introduce them to you. So, hailing from Charleston, South Carolina, my guests this morning, they pride themselves in their high-energy performances uh featuring lush harmonies, big-time guitar solos, and an ability to make the audience emote each uh with each and every lyric. Okay. So you'll know what I'm talking about in just a second here. And it brings me uh great pleasure to introduce to you Josh Gale and there's Sean Monaghan, and these guys are from Gail Bird. Thanks, guys, for doing this. I I really, really appreciate it. Hey Ben, it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having us on. Now, now, Josh, you you put Joshua on um on the screen there. So can I call you Josh? I mean, I feel like for a while now, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 2:50

Yeah, yeah. I think all Josh is get used to Joshua Josh, you know, whatever it may be. Um and uh so but yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:59

All right, cool, very good. So let's um let's start with this right here. Um you guys have your music is streaming right now on it's it's on all the streaming platforms and everything. So people can check out, they can go look up Gail Bird and see what you have there right now. I think you have some singles, you have an EP, and um you are going to be dropping your new single next Thursday, right? It's called Roses. That's right. Oh, that's and that's so cool. And I was like I was telling you off camera uh a little bit, I I feel like special. I feel really special because just for you out there, the audience, um, Josh called me last um last Tuesday and he says, Hey, I'm gonna send you a link to this song. It's our new single, and uh so I want you to check it out. And I was like, like, okay, great. I I feel like the uh old-time radio DJ who gets this uh premiere of a new song and has to hold on to it, you know, and can't share it with anybody yet, but then you know has the opportunity, okay, yeah, no, now you can play it, go ahead, and gets to be the first one to premiere. Although we don't play music on this show, unfortunately. So I don't get to do that. But um so tell tell um tell the audience a little bit about your like what genre does Gailbert fall into? And I'll and I'll start it by saying when I uh when I would describe that you guys were coming on the podcast, I always said, Yeah, I've got this um Christian country band coming on the program um called Gailbert. They're out of Charleston, South Carolina, and and you know, and I was real happy about that. And then, you know, but when I listen to your music, I'm not getting, and I don't mean this to sound disparaging whatsoever, because we all know the the three of us here, we all know we're of the same faith, but I'm not getting I'm not getting uh um hit with scripture, or I don't feel like I'm I'm listening to a devotional or anything like that. So can you can you describe what what genre you guys are or what you guys?

SPEAKER_02: 5:20

I think you know, for us, so you know, we happen to be Christians that are just playing country music, um, and our sound in that country category is also kind of morphed and uh become what it is, which would be, I guess, considered alternative country. Um, and uh so it's um, you know, that's what we're doing, but we're singing about the things that God cares about. Um and marriage is is so near and dear and close to God's heart, and it's something that that He wants us to fight for. Um, and there's there's so much scripture around that. Um, our goal is to is, and that's all marriages, not just for Christians. Um, and um, you know, marriage is that thing too that that God uses as a tool to refine your character, you know, and to sanctify you. Um, if anybody's been married for more than a minute, they realize uh there's a purifying process that happens when you live with somebody 24-7, 365 days a year, and you know, even if you're the greatest person at compartmentalizing things, everything starts to begin to touch. Everything starts to begin to do all sorts of different things. And and um we need we need encouragement in in marriage, we need encouragement in our in our life, and we need hope, we need these things, and we don't want to necessarily shut the door to the rest of the world um because we're so stuck in this box of well, that's a Christian band, I'm not gonna listen to them. Um we're out of this box so that when these people come to a live performance, number one, they're blown away by um excellence. There, it's a rock show, they literally are having every different emotion affect them at the same time. Um, and their adrenaline's pumping, you know, after witnessing a guitar solo or drum solo or you know, whatever it may be, um and they're disarmed. When when you have somebody, when you respect somebody and you see them doing something with excellence, you're almost disarmed of man, I really appreciate them for what they're doing. And so I'll listen to whatever they have to say because I'm my my guard's down. And the goal, the goal there is that at a performance, your guard's down because you're witnessing something with excellence. You're in a place you kind of feel comfortable in. It it's a bar, it's a venue, it's you know, there's food, there's other people, the lights are low, so I don't feel extremely vulnerable. I kind of feel like I could be unnoticed, but then I feel like those lyrics are resonating with me. I feel like he knows my marriage is tough. He knows that I've already considered leaving five times, he knows all these things that he's singing about that are like, is he singing to me right now? Um, or I witness that with my parents' relationship, or I witnessed that whatever. And then the the conversation begins. And our hope is that the conversation doesn't end within the show, that there are conversations that happen after the performance. There is dialogue that begins to take place um to where you know people can see like the only reason we're still married is because we continually, you know, seek forgiveness and repentance and and the sanctification process to become more like Jesus so that we can, you know, love better. You know, um people would look at us and see the fruits of the spirit, you know, all these things, and it would be known, you know, by our by our faith and by our testimony who we are, not just what we say. You know, the venues that we play at, our goal is that they would make the most money they've ever made in a single night because this group of Christians came in, they put on this excellent performance and they killed it, and we made somehow made more money than we ever made, have ever made, or we had one of our best nights, or people won't stop talking about it. That shows something for your credibility, your testimony, and then God gets all the glory from all of that. But we would never be able to reach the amount of people that we want to reach, or the type of people that we want to reach if we sit under this label as Christian country band, or you know, rather than a country band that happened to be a bunch of Christians um who are just good at saying sorry and good at telling each other, you know, what's really going on under the surface, and that maybe this is worth exploring and and repairing so that we can, you know, love each other better and be better and be more like Jesus.

SPEAKER_01: 10:00

Um like we talked about, I I love lyrics and you know, a good song, like you said, it speaks to you, you know, you hear the lyrics, and and when you said that, the first thing that came to my mind is like going to church on Sunday, and whatever it is, you you could have not been in church in church in six months, and the first time you show up, that sermon is speaking right to you. It's like the it's like, did the pastor write this sermon specifically for me? Yeah, and and that's what a good song will do to you. It'll speak right to you. It's it kind of like um I'm gonna go back a lot of years, like when I was a teenager and and your girlfriend breaks up with you, and and the next song you that comes on the radio is the saddest song ever. It's like, oh my gosh, this is my life here, that kind of thing, too. But uh I I love it. And um I like how you're trying to just reach out and and and not only just touch each one of your uh uh each one of the members of the audience, but spread the word too, and spread the word through music. Music is so it's it's I don't want to say it's universal. I mean, but it's it's it's just a special language. And um, and it and it, you know, for the for those of us who really love and appreciate music, man, it just kind of hits you right here. So can you add to that, Sean? You're looking in all transparency, everyone out there, uh Sean is like the quiet beetle. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 11:49

He is, so let's be but let's be clear, Gailbert does not exist without Sean Monaghan. Oh, yeah, no, I've I it is it is he's the production, he is he is the the the motive the the the producing the instrumentation the lyricist, you know. We co-write a lot of music. I mean, literally, it it does this doesn't happen without without Sean. It just happens to be that the name's Gailberg because I think we just settled. It worked out well. It worked out again. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_03: 12:22

So, what do you what do you want to add to that, Sean? Man, um, well, thank you for having us. Uh yeah, I think one of the things that is is really special that for not just the audience, but for us too is like these songs aren't just things we're thinking, what would the audience want to hear? Like these are songs we come into the writing room together and we're just like, this is something I needed to hear for myself. And I think when we write from that place, it's definitely a lot more vulnerable, makes it a little bit more difficult, but it also gives us the opportunity to uh to tap into something I think that it the listener knows is authentic. Uh, I think the listener is is smart enough most of the time to be able to differentiate when an artist is writing something that they want the listener to hear versus a the artist who is conveying a message that they're passionate about, they're hearing themselves. And so a lot of these songs, I mean, I Josh can can confirm that like most of the times we come to the writing table together, it's one of us with, hey, uh we've been struggling with this. I I need to remind myself that I need to, in the case of roses, say more things to my wife about the way I feel about her. Um, or sometimes it's it's not marriage, it's just a friendship. Like, I just need to remember, like, I don't, I'm not guaranteed tomorrow. If I'm thinking something that I need to say to someone, it could be the last chance I get. Uh, and that's heavy, but that's kind of true. You know, it's it might be the last time. So I don't want to ever live with regrets. So let's write a song about that. Um, and so I think all of our songs have started out with with that in mind of like, what what do we need to hear ourselves? And then it has worked out well to communicate that then to to everybody else.

SPEAKER_01: 14:07

You know, I want to get into your your writing method in just a second here. But that's what I got out of the song Roses. And and for the audience out there, you guys will be able to enjoy it in beginning next Thursday, right? That's uh that's right. What is what is next Thursday? That's uh 23rd. 23rd, okay. Yeah, the 23rd. You guys will be able to enjoy that. It'll be out on all the streaming services. Wherever you get your music, it'll be there. The song is Roses, the band is Gail Bird. Um, but that's what I got. That was kind of the message I got from Roses was like, don't hold on to this now and wait, you know, because there's only so much time. And when there's no more time, when when that whatever happens, you know, when death happens, that's it. We're done. There's no more time. So get everything out that you want to say that you want to do to your wife, to your husband, to your loved ones, um, so that you're not carrying those roses to your funeral, you're spreading those roses now throughout your life. And am I kind of sort of on the right track?

SPEAKER_02: 15:26

Or to their or to their funeral. You know, you wish you would have said these things while they were still alive. Yeah. Um, there's, you know, as far as like the the context of like scripture, things like that. Um Solomon says that you know that we're we're here like it life's a vapor. Um, Sean Sean's a one of his majors, he had a couple majors, one of them is math. If if Solomon was speaking to a person in math language, um, we're here for zero compared to eternity. Because anything divided by eternity is zero, right? We're not here very long at all compared to eternity. So without an eternal mindset, you can go through this life so unintentional, realizing that you're not guaranteed tomorrow and that we're not here very long at all. We're all thinking, how much can we put away for retirement when eternity is right on the other side, and it's like, no, how what can I put away for eternity? Right? And so when the song is like quit holding back with like, like if God's blessed you so much and he's and he tells you so much how he much he loves you, and if you're in tune with that, you won't hold that back from anybody, and a lot of people are waiting for this Oscar moment. Oh, it was the right time to say the right thing to this person, and I and they're waiting for like a movie Oscar moment, yeah. When because sometimes we're so emotionally driven, instead of it being just intentional to be intentional, when you're emotionally driven, you know, I could ask you, you know, Sean this question like, you know, do you need to feel a certain way to tell your kids how much you love them and that you are so happy that they're your child and that you, you know, all these things. No, they're your child. You automatically literally, when they first come out, all they know how to do is cry, eat, and poop and pee. Like that's all they can do. They can't earn your affection in any way possible, but somehow you're filled with so much love for them, and you just tell them how much you love them, and that life would never be the same again, and you're so you couldn't imagine life without them. But why, when it's our spouse, do we have to feel so emotionally motivated to tell them something? What is what is the root of that? Why is it that well, they've hurt me before, or if I compliment them too much, then they might realize how wonderful they are and they might not want to be with me, you know. What is the root? And Roses is saying, hey, get over yourself and get over these little small foxes that are spoiling the vine and tell your wife everything that you're supposed to tell her. God, you know, God gave you this woman to steward, or God gave you this husband to serve and to love and to partner with. Tell them every chance you get how awesome you think they are and how incredible you're so thankful that God puts you together and tell them how much you love them, you know, and like get past whatever this thing is, but it takes intentionality, not just following our emotions, but intentionality to say these things and figure out why the heck am I not saying these things today.

SPEAKER_01: 18:39

Um yeah, you know, the well, the I'll tell you this, and I want you to add to it, Sean. I'm getting you into this. I love it. Thank you. All right. We as men, and we got three guys here. Um first off, we're all we're all just broken people, and for guys, I think, especially, and I can only speak as a guy because I've never been a woman. So we you have to say that in California. Yeah, we do pretty much everywhere, but uh maybe not Charlton, South Carolina. No, you still do, you still do, but you know, um we just you know, we want to be big, we want to be tough, we want to be strong, and we do let our pride get in the way of so many things, especially when it comes to relationships with our with our wives, and and you know, it can be over just the silliest things. And it is. Even as uh uh Christian men, it's still hard. It's probably honestly, I believe it's even harder living a Christian life than it is living a non-Christian or just you know being a part of the the the secular world and not and and and not recognizing God in your life. I believe it's even harder and um as it probably should be. But when you recognize that, then you're able to get through the obstacles that are thrown in your way. And and pride is certainly one of those, and it's probably the hardest one for us as men to just get past, no matter whatever the silliest thing that might be said or done to us, it just it kind of gets us right there, and we can't get over it until someone comes, you know, with their tail between their legs to apologize for offending us or um something along those lines. And when you even though you know it, it it's hard to just say, you know what, forget all that. I'm setting that aside, forget my pride. Um and I'm just going to to to to love that person, I'm gonna love my wife anyway, and I'm gonna go tell her first before I, you know, before she comes to me. You know, I gotta, it's not about being the bigger man, it's just about being a man. So writing process when it comes to when it comes to your music, do you guys have a certain process, you know, throughout history? Um some of the some of the greatest and most recognizable and most iconic songs in music history were written in 15 minutes on the back of a bar napkin or something along those lines, you know? And um, and then uh artists will say, you know, I just I've been I've been tortured by this song forever and ever. It took me five years to write this song. I couldn't get it right. And so what's what's your process? Do you have many processes, or is it just one kind of process?

SPEAKER_03: 22:19

Yeah, I I think you can't limit it to just one, at least our experience has been that uh we have songs of roses was one that came relatively easy. Um, that was instead of a napkin for us, it was a whiteboard in in Josh's office. We were just thinking about this idea, and this was a year ago when we wrote this, we scribbled it down, and um he's he started off with uh Sean, just play something that's like a really good musical hook on the guitar. And then he starts singing around it, and we kind of already had the theme in mind, but we built it all around that intro acoustic guitar idea, and um, it blossomed very quickly. Um, but we have other songs that we've been working on for a couple of years and and still haven't finished. We we had the advantage, uh, we were we're very grateful we were signed last year with a local label, Holy City Music signed us, and they have been incredible, uh, just been so good working with them. But one of their requirements was you guys need to write 20 songs in the next like six months. And so we were kind of like right away put to the fire, like we got to get this done. And so, to some with some of the songs, it's like we don't have time to wait for this to be perfect. We have to, you know, craft something that we're 99% okay with, and maybe in the future we can come back and look at it, but we got to push through. So we've had to work through some of that. Um, typically, I think our writing process though is uh either Josh or I, usually it's Josh, we'll have have a starting reference point, some idea, and then we'll sit down and start crafting it. It's either the three of us, um, Josh, myself, and Melissa, uh, or we've had a couple other writers that we've brought in on some of these songs, and um we'll start just kind of puzzle piecing it together. And uh we've been very fortunate. We have a great friendship and we work really well together. Um, you you mentioned pride being difficult, and that's definitely the case. Um, I guess fortunately for us, we've both had enough tough situations in our life to kind of break us of some of that that uh we can work together and hear each other's ideas well. And if something comes up, we talk through it and we you know, we address the conflict and uh we're we're we're forced to face it. So uh we have a good dynamic and it's been just such a pleasure writing uh with this group. But um, but yeah, it's every song's a little different.

SPEAKER_01: 24:39

Yeah. Um so how long um first off, how long have you and Josh known each other?

SPEAKER_03: 24:47

Oh, we go way back. So we went to college in similar um two different colleges in the city of Charleston, but we worked together. We were both a part of uh a Christian organization that would meet up sometimes, and so got to know him in college, and then uh toward the end of our college years, Josh started this band that would eventually evolve into Gilbert. Uh, and so I started playing with him toward the end of that, and uh, we just had a great time both with the ministry stuff and then playing music and kept a friendship and then uh kind of stopped playing music for about what 15 years. Uh, we got busy. He has four kids. I have two. We got we got married and just had to kind of put some of that on pause for a minute. Uh, but then he reached out to me uh almost two years ago, and I was in the middle of a of a job transfer. I was uh leaving a a situation and then going free um freelance, and so I was gonna have a little bit more time. And he just happened to reach out and be like, Hey, I'm ready to start this again if you are. And timing couldn't have been any better. And so we've been just running ever since.

SPEAKER_01: 25:55

Um, so how okay, so let me ask you this because I'm trying, I'm just trying to kind of put the timeline together a little bit. How old are you guys? I'm 37. Uh, and Sean, you're what? I'm 35. Oh my goodness, I told you guys, I told you I'm I'm old enough to be your dad. So that's true. Absolute truth. I love it though. I love it that now. Are you guys able to do this full time, or do you got to keep jobs on the side of music?

SPEAKER_02: 26:32

So we have something pretty rare that's pretty cool. Um, you know, right around that same time, you know, Sean transitioning away from another position. Um, I felt like God was leading me to begin to uh bolster and and and go more. I've I've been uh uh my wife stays home, so I've always had um a second job having a um marketing company. Um so web design, graphic design, PR, um, just you know, all sorts of different stuff uh that I've been doing on the side, but I've never really poured gasoline on it. And I just for the fear of if it if it takes off, I can't I couldn't handle it. Um and Sean is so incredibly talented and teachable. I said, Hey, can I teach you everything I know about web design and just all these different things about marketing and how the internet works and search engines and all that kind of stuff? And um, he was up to speed really, really quickly um and is still learning new things every day. So we actually uh the way our week works is it's pretty pretty rare and pretty crazy. But you know, every morning we meet at the gym around 6 30 and we lift weights and play soccer. We have an indoor soccer gym at this uh this place, and um kind of it checks a box for us of like you know, the healthy box plus the competition, the fun, first thing in the morning, um, and then um, you know, go our separate ways. But we're while we're lifting weights, we kind of talk about what's on the docket for the day as far as who needs to be taken care of. We're you know, one thing we do, we're running a campaign for uh Cheon, who is a uh candidate for governor in California, um, incredible man. I think he's about to turn 70 years old or something, you know, and uh he's just a very wise, incredible man. We met him and um, you know, doing the PR that we do, he he had interviewed several firms and was like, but nobody's doing what you're doing, nobody had the answers you have, all these things. So it's funny, you know, East Coast is helping West Coast, and uh uh we're a couple hours apart, which sometimes you know makes us work a little bit later, but we do that. Um, we've got so many different types of clients and customers, but it allows us to do it remotely so that we still have the reef the flexibility to um to do music and to be in the studio, things like that. Um, and then I also work uh about two or three days a week as a private jeweler. Um, so I design and build you know custom engagement rings and earrings and necklaces, things like that. So um get to use the creative it all of it's creativity. Um and so anytime I get to be creative um and use use those uh gifts, um it makes me pretty excited, doesn't feel as much like work.

SPEAKER_01: 29:24

So you're making friends with the ladies and break breaking the guy's banks. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 29:33

Yep, and then Sean, he's able to do he's he's producing lots of different groups as far as like I think last week he um was recording and producing a jazz group, and so he's able to to be, you know, as a session musician, as a producer, all that kind of stuff all feeds into um that and and our ability to be flexible.

SPEAKER_03: 29:52

Yeah, I'm actually out in Houston right now working on uh some studio work and playing a couple gigs. We stay busy.

SPEAKER_01: 29:58

Yeah, wow, that's That's great. That's great. So we're in three different locations. We are three different time zones. That is awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 30:07

Who you who are you working with right now? Oh, I've got a friend out here. His name is Robbie Madison. Uh, he's got a nonprofit called Madison Arts, and they put on all sorts of incredible events, developing young artists, and it's just a really cool, um, cool thing he's got going here. So helping him out, and then in the in the studio a good bit.

SPEAKER_01: 30:24

Oh, that's great. That's that is that's awesome. Um, it just, you know, when you instead of me going on, let's just do this then. Um where is it? Where is it? Okay. Let's talk about your like your musical influences, each, each of you. I want you to get into some of the some of the musicians or bands that that have been influential to you um throughout your entire you know, like your musical journey here.

SPEAKER_03: 31:00

I'll go. Um, I I have a very interesting start. So um I grew up playing a lot in church. So there was a guitar player, his name was Lincoln Brewster. I know Lincoln Brewster. He is oh my goodness. I don't mean to cut you up.

SPEAKER_01: 31:15

Lincoln Brewster is absolutely a phenomenal player. I saw him. I I saw him. Okay, all right, stop timeout. Um, back in 1994. So, I mean, you guys are we little lads, 1994. He was playing in Steve Perry's solo band when Steve Perry was touring his uh second solo album for the love of strange medicine. And Lincoln Brewster was I think he was like 20 years old at the time. And man, he was just tearing it up. And um, and I do I do remember hearing a short while after that he actually was um I don't know, he he was in the he was in the Christian genre as far as as far as music and all that. Oh man, he's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_03: 32:10

Yeah, he's done a lot of stuff uh in his I guess later years with with worship stuff. But for me growing up, it was great to have a guitar player that was in the worship scene that didn't sound like the edge. Like I love you two, love the edge, but that was the direction every worship band was playing. And so then to hear someone that was shredding in a very tasteful and musical way, yeah. Oh man, I it was uh incredible. So I studied everything he ever did. Uh and then at the same time, I loved the band Queen. And so I had their live Aembly DVD. Yeah, I I would study that thing. Uh my parents loved classic rock, so we had DVDs of the Eagles and Led Zeppelin. So I grew up on a lot of that stuff. Um, then I studied music in I studied jazz in college, so I had kind of got immersed into a lot of the old uh jazz players, and and uh I've had so many incredible opportunities since then to play just about every genre. So um coming into the country band, that was something kind of unique. I didn't grow up listening to country, so I've had to do some studying since then. Um I studied a lot of uh different, played some hip hop and RB gigs for a long time. Actually, last night we had a hip-hop uh party band thing I was jamming with, and so you know I know a lot of the standards now, and there are elements of every genre that I can learn from and I can bring into my production toolbox and add into these uh these songs we're doing and still keep it within the lane of country rock. And I just love that.

SPEAKER_01: 33:42

That's great, that's great. And and what about you, Josh?

SPEAKER_02: 33:46

Um, yeah, from from probably an early age, um just drawn to a certain to a certain sound. Um, and uh at first it was uh uh you know when I was young, ripping music off Napster and all these things, ripping music off the stealing from the from artist was a thing. Um, and so uh I remember like a you know, first thing I ever did was uh, you know, my mom and I um when we first moved to Texas, um it was too late to enroll in preschool. And so I rode around all of Dallas with her listening to two cassette tapes, the first one being Amy Grant, the second one being Whitney Houston. Um and learning to sing by just belting out, and as a child, you know, as a you know um you know, young child, you can hit some ranges that you you're not gonna be able to hit when you get older. But I'm learning I'm learning some things, and I'm singing these songs, and my mom's realizing this child loves to sing. He loves to sing, and I and I would never stop singing. I literally wanted to sing everything all the time. The only one in my family, nobody else was musical in my family, but I was singing all the time. Um, and then uh through Napster and all that stuff, I began to get introduced to the the classic rock that my dad wanted to put on some discs to show us, you know, what classic rock he grew up with. And I'm listening to these bands like the Eagles. If the Eagles came out today, they're in the country genre, especially early Eagles. I agree. Yeah, yeah. And and one of the members being from Texas, and I'm and I'm growing up in Dallas, Texas, you know. Um, and um, so lots of country influence there, and um and listening to the country radio, um, you know, first concert. First concert was Alan Jackson, second concert was John Mayer opened for by the Counting Crows. Um, so you know, in Dallas, you get every major artist coming through, but I had the smearing off center right there, and and just got introduced to so much live music, and the live music was really what drew me in. Um, and so I'm listening to Leonard Skinnard on repeat. I'm listening to the Eagles, I'm listening to these bands that would be country music um in 2025. Um, and I'm in love with this genre. I've got a uh uh Tim McGraw album that comes out that is just lyrically making me feel things emotionally as a middle schooler that I probably didn't even understand, you know, completely, but I felt something.

SPEAKER_00: 36:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 36:22

Um, and uh songs like Red Rag Top, and you know, and um and then in college I hear this band come on the radio, and it's uh a song called Washed by the Water. And this is this band called Need to Breathe, and I'm like, okay, and they're from South Carolina, okay. And I hear this song and I start going on the internet. I'm looking on the internet for a black man with this gospel rock sound, and I can't find them anywhere. All I see is this group that look like a bunch of skinny hippies, and is this band called Need to Breathe. So then I look on their website and they've got small venue shows, the music farm in Charleston, and some different places in like Greenville and Columbia. Um so you know, I figure out where they're gonna be next. I go and see this rock concert at the music farm, and my mind is going in a thousand different directions. This is what I want to do. I can do this, I can put a band together and I can perform like this, and I can put on not just a performance, like of reciting music, yeah, but a but a rock show, you know, where people are just ecstatic. They there's so much energy in the room that if you could bottle that up, it would it would sell for a million dollars a bottle. And uh I wanted to do that, and so I ended up putting up putting a band together, and we would got an opportunity to record some music, but um then life got in the way. Um, and the other things were probably a little bit more important, like marriage and family. And um, but that's why we're here, yeah. And the but then that that that drive never went away. Um, that desire couldn't I couldn't put the flame out, and so that's when I called Sean up again after 15 years and said, dude, can we just give this another shot? I got some extra money in the bank. Like, let's start trying to record some songs, and then we get the attention of a label and we get something going on. And then I'd say the most latest musical influence, uh I'm got some friends that write for North Palm worship, and they're literally getting together and writing hundreds of songs um with busy lives, and so I'm like, man, if they can write hundreds of songs and and and then they're saying, Hey, here's all these songwriting trips, and here, come to this and just be inspired to write and write and write, which is the difference between a good band and a great band is a great band never stops writing songs. You're gonna write a thousand crappy songs to find the one good song, and it just encourages me constantly to go into the writing room and to try to continue to keep writing and just pick up the guitar and just go and see what comes out. And and um, I've learned a lot from them, and and um so that's um you know been pretty pretty awesome recently.

SPEAKER_01: 39:04

You said you said something really I think it's I think it's really uh uh important, and that was about continuing to write. And look, I'm I'm 60 years old, okay. And so I feel like my generation was right in the wheelhouse of music, period. We're in the wheelhouse of a lot of stuff, but look, we're we're gonna just keep this to music right now. Um, you know, I'm uh being born in 1965. I'm I'm I'm a little too young, obviously, even by 1970 to to thoroughly grasp the British invasion with the the Who and the Stones and the Beatles and all those great bands. But as I'm getting older and starting uh starting to get into music and and and really where it's grabbing a hold of me, then you know, then I start discovering them. Um but but then you get bands like uh Kiss and Journey and Queen and Foreigner and and and all these other bands in the late 70s into the early 80s. And I love all those bands. I I do I just I love all those bands. That's that's like uh to to to to make me try to sound a little young and a little hip. That's like my jam, okay? So don't forget Rod Stewart. Oh, I love Rod Stewart. Absolutely phenomenal performer. Um but but a lot of a lot of the um not a lot, not all, but but a lot of the bands that I grew up listening to stopped writing and recording new music years ago. And some of them are still out touring to this day, whether they're all original, one original member, no original members, whatever it is, they're still doing it to this day, but they're only they're only living off the the the um the the catalog, you know, and and their their legacy. Instead of continuing continuing to write and record new music, and and for some bands, and you you brought it up, you said it yourself. It's like you have to do it. This is what I do. I write songs, I write music. And even though, and especially for big acts, you know, look, let's not fool ourselves. Nobody buys music these days. Okay, it's all just about getting your stuff out there and and and getting it exposure, getting eyes and ears on it, and maybe drawing that person in to come see you play live, and then you can really show them what it's all about. And to me, there's something to be said about a live show, watching that band that you like play live, play that stuff that you you enjoy listening to in the car, at home, wherever, and they're on fire, and you just you you feel that energy. So I think that live performances are just so paramount. And uh I I I love it. I like the fact that you guys just feel like you have to write music.

SPEAKER_02: 42:18

Yeah, it's therapeutic for me too. Uh I gotta figure out you know how to get over myself and then figure out how to tell others how that they can get over themselves as well. And and uh, you know, I think sometimes usually if God's trying to tell me something, I bet I could save somebody else a lot of hurt and a lot of time and grief if I could just tell them what I figured out here in the last couple weeks or whatever it may be. Um, so um yeah, we have to write and then Sean, but we have to be very intentional, Sean and I have to put it in the calendar or it won't happen.

SPEAKER_01: 42:55

So before we move on any further regarding music or whatever, and really I I have no direction for where our conversation is going. I'm I'm thoroughly enjoying this though. Um tell us a little bit about each one of you guys. I want you to tell us a little bit about like you know, your family and your faith and and that kind of stuff, and and um just to to to uh open yourselves up a little bit so we get to know a little bit about Sean and Josh.

SPEAKER_03: 43:26

Yeah. So I um I got married in 2012, so right out of college. So we've been married, what's that, 13 years now?

SPEAKER_01: 43:36

You better get it right.

SPEAKER_03: 43:38

Yeah, she forgets too, so it's okay. We're both the type of people that if you don't remember our birthday day, but you remember the week, you know, we have some grace. Just get close and you're good. Um, so yeah, so we we got married and uh we had um we have two children, two boys. They are seven and almost nine. And man, it's been incredible. Uh, but both of us grew up in church. Um, I grew up with my my parents uh going to uh see I started at an episcopal church and then ended up at a non-denominational. And I've uh I've played in a lot of different uh I was about to say genres of churches, uh denominations. So I've experienced a lot of different sides of the church and of Christian faith and just have a lot of respect. Uh, it I think it's helped me. Uh I have a lot of friends that it's easy for them to get sucked into like a narrow perspective of what the church is supposed to look like. And uh I think having all those opportunities was helpful for me to see. Like, there's a lot of really uh authentic uh Christians that love Jesus with all their heart that it looks different for a lot of people. And um, and so the way that I see my local community looking and the the style of music we play and the way the service is going, it doesn't have to be that way. Uh obviously, I think we do have biblical standards for certain things, but um, a lot of the things that separate us, I think aren't as big a deal as we make it. So um I think that uh we come from maybe maybe that's I would consider it humility. Um, you know, I might find out we were wrong one day, but uh I think I think that that helps and it's afforded us the opportunity to have really close relationships with a lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds. And uh we're just we're very grateful for the the group of friends and and family that we have that that we get to do life with. So we're trying to figure out what it looks like for us to you know have something we're passionate about, like Gail bird, continuing to make music, continuing to help um help people come to know Jesus, uh whether that's through just our lives, our relationships, or through the music. Uh, but then also, you know, we're like Josh said, we're navigating, we got to still pay bills. Um, and until Gail Bird becomes that, what does that look like? And um, so yeah, it's it's been uh been awesome. That's but that's kind of uh yeah, our background.

SPEAKER_01: 46:10

So until you in until you start uh filling stadiums like George Strait, then um you're gonna you're gonna continue to uh you know do your web work and all that stuff on the street.

SPEAKER_03: 46:23

Yeah, and you know, the beautiful thing I think Josh would agree, like we would love to do that, but we don't need it. Like it it's not a a thing that we just have to have in our lives. Um, we're both very satisfied with what the Lord's put in our you know in front of us. And if that's the way it goes, we're gonna do our best to steward it well, and we're excited. If it's not, we get to do music and what a blessing. I it's awesome, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 46:50

Uh Josh, what say you? Yeah. And to tag on what Sean just said there, you know, we we say it often, you know, we've already we're already known by the one who created us, we're already seen and we're already heard by our by our father in heaven. That's it, that'll always be enough, you know. And uh so um for me, um grew I grew up in um Plano, Texas, most of my life, north of that, right north of Dallas. Uh and um in and out of church, you know, um, but kind of a uh you know, you don't realize until you get older in life, you know, kind of how much different your upbringing was compared to uh other families or you know what you you know come to to learn. And uh so it was just um there was a lot going on um that I still reflect on, I still include into music, um, I still write about uh and then ask my wife to you know give me patience because I'm I'm kind of shooting from the hip most of the time on what it looks like to be a husband and a father, um, you know, without that uh exposure, you know, as a as a younger child. And I, you know, I met Sean's family. I'm I'm so encouraged by his parents, just awesome people. And uh I always encourage you know remind Sean how blessed he was um to to be born into that family. Um, but that doesn't mean that I get to sit here and like cry and like, you know, why did God give me an alcoholic and you know, and and you know, why did that happen to my mom and why did this happen to my brothers? And you know, I don't get to sit there and and soak and weep in it, you know. I get to re I can reflect on it and all those things, but um, no, I can write about it and help others who were raised in the same kind of situation to say, listen, like that's that that can end right here, this generation, and you can be sanctified to become something where nobody else recognizes you from your past. None of your friends would recognize you, you know. Not that you know, um you're half the man or anything like that, but you know, you're you're so full of the fruits of the spirit, and you're just so kind and wonderful and loving and and like Jesus that that they're just blown away because they knew they also saw probably more than you what your situation looked like um growing up. And uh so um in and out of church, uh you know, would we you know I would consider my family like creasters, Christmas and Easter. Yeah, yeah. And then if it was anywhere in between that, where like you know, my parents were feeling a little bit more convicted, or my mostly my dad feeling more convicted, or you know, trying to get his life together, we'd be in church a little bit more, um, but it would be cursing the whole way there and then passing notes of where we're gonna eat after church. Was it was it Fudruckers or Ming Garden or um, you know, Mexican restaurant or CC's pizza, you know, like where was it going to be during church was like the biggest pass, and it was like taking the offering envelope and destroying it and and passing notes on it, you know, um, and um and then getting out of there, but actually leaving during the altar call so that we could get out of the traffic.

SPEAKER_01: 50:05

Uh and if you left during the altar call, you might feel a little less guilty too, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 50:11

And so but I was about 10 years old when I heard the gospel for the first time, like really understood and comprehended the gospel. Um, you know, uh I was in and out of like some camps and awanas and things like that when I was younger, but if nobody was feeding you any scripture at home, I felt so behind. Um, and I kind of couldn't stand going to these uh VBS and these things because I'm competitive and I don't like to be uh ill-equipped. And so I would avoid it. I would not want to go. Um, I did not enjoy reading, so I wasn't going to be able to do it myself. Um, and so I would avoid church like the plague um as much as I could as a child. But at 10 years old, I heard I heard this uh Pastor James Moody, uh, who was an interim pastor at the Heights Church in um in in Richardson, Texas, he presented the gospel in such an incredible way that I understood it as a 10-year-old to where it drove me that if you were between me and the altar to give my life to Jesus, like you would have gotten pummeled, you know. Like I was getting there, and my family's like, where's he going?

unknown: 51:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 51:16

Well, my two older brothers weren't gonna let me show them up, and they followed me right out into the aisle to to pray with another pastor in in the kind of the the wings of the church.

SPEAKER_00: 51:26

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02: 51:26

Yeah. And I prayed and I gave my life to Jesus. And I wish I could say like it was like from there, it was like this straight up trajectory, but it but it wasn't. It was a uh I I uh got into a lot of sin and got into a lot of friendships and relationships that took me, it made me pay more and stay longer than I ever wanted to. And um wasn't till I got to college and began to be discipled by an older gentleman um through a uh college ministry. I was playing football here in Charleston, and this guy was like, Hey, you know, let me tell you about Jesus. And and and I said, you know, I don't know if it's completely for me because I don't feel I don't love them. Like you guys say, you're in love with them. He said, Well, did anybody ever show you how to fall in love? And I was like, No. And he said, You fall in love by spending time with somebody and you get to know them. And I'm gonna tell you about my Jesus, he's irresistible. If you spend any amount of time with him, you're gonna realize you want more and more and more and more of him, and you'll never get enough of him because there's there's more of him to consume than you could ever see. He said, I want you to taste and see that the Lord is good. Let me show you how to spend time with him. Let me show you who he is. Uh and that part was so instrumental for me uh that that changed the trajectory of my life. That was the the moment uh that uh, you know, I really got lit on fire with the Lord. And that was the moment that I'm also in college and I'm I'm wanting to play music, but I'm also playing football. So I kind of left football behind to pursue music and and uh the rest is history. Uh, but it was that one person saying, like, I think I can understand where you're at on the spiritual map, and I think I can get you to the to the treasure if you just uh give me a minute. And uh so that's where I'm at, and that's where I've been headed ever since.

SPEAKER_01: 53:11

That's great. I it sounds like um it sounds like besides the fact that um you were exposed to some great music growing up, that you and I share you and I share similar uh upbringings where there was a lot of um turmoil or drama within our within our family uh dynamic. And uh yeah, I had a lot of that growing up um myself. It and it doesn't have to define who we are, it only defines who we become who we are and who we become if we allow it to. Um we I you know you touched on a little bit. Look, God knows us from the to to be a little tiny crasp from the time we were an itch in our daddy's pants, okay? So he knows us from from all the way back then, and he knows our path, he knows it every day, every step of the way, all that kind of stuff. Obviously, we don't, and and so he knows what's gonna help define us, and and uh we don't have to do that, we just use that as a tool to to to to build us into the men that we become when you're grounded in your faith. And I um I was a lot like you, you know, as a uh a teenager in high school, I mean from a very, very young age, and I'll try to, I'm not gonna bore my audience with this because I have touched on this a lot, and I don't need to, they're gonna feel like they're they're watching reruns of this uh this podcast or something. But you know, from a very young age, I had this strong belief in God, and I knew good and evil, but I um it wasn't, you know. I mean, I went to, you know, the kid across the street invited me to go to Sunday school, and I think I was in sixth or seventh or eighth grade, somewhere around there. The bus would come pick us up and take us to to Sunday school, and I'd be with the kids of my own age and hang out, had a good time, learn a little bit about Christ and that kind of stuff, but but didn't didn't really take it in, didn't understand it, you know, thought, okay, this is this is good here. But you know, in in high school, I had a kid named Gary Malone. Hey, Bible study with me sometime. It's like, you know, now they just call it youth group or whatever it is, but you know, it was a Bible study group for high schoolers, and I thought, well, yeah, sure, why not? Did that and I probably went through, I think my high school years, one one night a week. And um so was doing that and and accepted Christ, but wasn't living the Christ-like life. And I think it's just because you don't have a clear understanding. If you're not, if you're not sitting in church practicing your faith on a weekly basis, it's hard to have a grasp of what all that really means. And it's hard for you as a Christian man, whether it's as a as a single guy when you're younger or as a husband and a father as you get older and you're raising a family. We are called, we are called to not just exist on this planet, but to be married, to find that mate, to be as one. We are called to procreate, and I'm so happy to hear that you've got four, Josh, and you've got two, Sean, and I think that's so great. I mean, just have kids, have lots of kids. That's if I have one regret is that I don't have enough kids. And um, and then to be that spiritual rock, the spiritual leader in our families, not just the ones that are that that reside in the same house as us, but our families as a whole. And then that that spreads to your community, to your church, and and to be those leaders and and to I I always say I try to lead by example. You know, I want to, I'm gosh, I'm so far from perfect, but I want to be the best example to my family, to my wife, to my kids, to you know, my the my in-laws, everyone. I just want to be that best example so that some of the some someday they might say, Hey Ben, you look like you got it pretty good, you know. You look like you got it all together. I want a little bit of something of what you have. Can you can you share it with me?

SPEAKER_02: 58:15

Yeah. I think we were made to be set apart, you know. It we weren't made to look like the world. We weren't made to, and and it does when we do look like we have it together, they're gonna ask questions because everybody wants that, some of that, right? It's not that we we don't have everything together. We have we're hanging on by the seat of our pants, but it's we have Jesus that is bringing us, you know, um everything that we need to where, you know, when it's coming from the source of everything is coming from him, then the things look like they're in alignment. When we're in alignment, that's what people really want. Um, and so and that's and that's every single part of our lives. And like you said, it's like uh, you know, I'm trying to do the very best for my children and not screw them up. And, you know, and I'm trying to think of the things that they will remember. They won't, I don't think they're gonna remember how how long it took me to write a song or how much money I made in 2025. They're not gonna remember that. They're gonna remember the time we spent together, they're gonna remember the the you know, I coach all their sports, they're gonna remember and they remember that the most. Dad, remember when you took us all the way, we won first place, you took us all the way. But remember when, you know, this kid's dad died, and you know, you stepped up and you did this and you did that. My kids, they talk about that stuff all the time. And um remember when, you know, I always love dad when you gave out medals, and so this is me as an evangelist, and it's not just the music, it's every part of my life. If you didn't step up to coach and I'm coaching your kids, I'm their coach, you know, and uh, and so I do the recreation sports, and uh every time I give out a trophy or a medal, um I prophesy over a child. I say, Listen, God gave you this incredible strength, your superpower that God put within you is to lead. With vocally. I said, you are such an incredible vocal leader. And you can either change a room this way, or you can change a room a terrible way with what the words that you share. And everyone's going to hang on to your words. You need to learn to control your tongue. And but God gave you a superpower to use that, and you're going to lead so many people vocally. And God's given you that gift. And I've gotten, you know, and every single child I give a different strength and prophesy into their future and kind of tell them which trajectory they can take based on how they use that gift God gave them. And I have kids to this day, and I've been doing this for seven years. Kids to this day come up and say, Hey, remember, Coach, when you told me this? Because I'm not their dad, I'm not their mom. I'm this guy that they want to impress. This guy that like can make them or break, you know, whatever it may be that they want to impress their coach. And they he's not around them all the day, all the time, and and uh he's not hurt them, you know, whatever it may be. And I'll have kids come up, Coach. Remember when you told me this? Or their parents will come up and say, you know, my son still talks about his superpower, he still talks about how he's got a gift, he still talks about this. He, you know, that really changed something in my son. And they just don't, you know, and they have to credit, they have to give God the credit because you can't know me for more than two seconds and not know that Jesus is my everything, and that the I'll pray with your kids and all these kind of things, and you know, and that's just the way it is. Um and so that's where I'm at, you know, is that's uh I think the things that my kids will remember. Um, and I that's where I'm trying to figure out with how I spend my time and and um you know how I interact with them and how I have to compartmentalize. I gotta leave work at work, I gotta leave, you know, yeah, XYZ and show up and kind of change hats as quickly as I can. Um, you know, and uh so uh it's uh and it the coming back full circle, it's all about intentionality. I have the things I gotta tell myself before I walk in the door of who I'm gonna show up as right now, and I tell myself XYZ, you know, it's the intentionality of like, all right, we're about to come in here and be intentional by doing this. Our focus is gonna shift over to doing this. And creatives have to hear that. If you're out there and you're creative, you love using this part of your brain, but you hate using this part of your brain over here. And as creatives, we have to be able to like put the gear in a different gear to be able to shift to be who God's called us to be, um, and not just a floating free spirit all the time that just does whatever we feel. We have to be intentional and do what you know, uh and imitate Jesus. Um, and um, and so that's creatives. I think they could hear that more often is uh is be more intentional with your time, and uh which means you gotta schedule some stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:57

Sean, you muted your microphone. I'm not sure if you're aware.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:00

I sure did. Uh the whole the horn players are here at the studio and they started warming up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:05

I wanted to interrupt. I don't mind a little background music. Well, I didn't know your great your story, and I didn't want to I uh through through the service I use, I can't I can't play any um any music that's you know I have to deal with publishing and all that kind of thing, copyrighted stuff. But uh it's so funny. I had one guest on um a few months ago, and we were talking about music, and we were um uh she was talking about a playlist that she had on her phone, and she says she's running down some songs, and she was mentioned a couple of Bill Withers tunes, and there was one that I wasn't familiar with. Oh no, no, you gotta look and she held it up to her microphone, and sure enough, it recorded. It I'm like, wait a minute, I can act it. I mean, once I went back and listened to it, I'm like, wow, I actually heard the whole song. Because if I were to take my phone and play music into the microphone and it's it's like copyrighted stuff, it immediately mutes the music. So it was crazy. So, hey, you want to bring the horn players in, bring them in. I'm all I'm all for that. It's all good stuff, man. It's awesome. So um what are some of well, I don't I don't say what, but is are there a list of any uh any artists, one artist or uh or multiple artists that you guys um would like to either work with or even share the stage with? Uh, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:38

Who's the one that was coming that you reached out to, Josh? To Charleston? A country artist. I forget. There have been a couple we've discussed.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:49

Uh no one in particular, though. Okay. You know, I uh I I I liked a lot of different genres of music myself. Um, you know, growing up when I did, um and and my my my parents would listen to a lot of uh country music. Um my dad was a he liked Nat King Cole and Jim Reeves, these crooners, you know, and so I would listen to a lot of that stuff. And so um I really I really enjoyed it a lot. And and then, you know, as you get older, you start to branch out and you start to feel your way through things and and what what what you uh what grabs a hold of you, and and I do. I like a lot of different genres. I love country music, I love my rock and roll. I'm a I'm I I say I'm a like a rock, hard rock guy to my core. Um something about crunchy guitars and and you know that kind of stuff and great soaring vocals. You know, my favorite, my favorite singer of of all time is Steve Perry. And so just that kind of stuff. But but you know, I growing up in I say like my kind of formative years or you know, teenage years, and there was a lot of new wave and and and dance music, and I love disco too, love disco. But for me, like what I like about your sound is it I I'm not a great fan of what I consider to be modern country. Um I don't like hip hop with a twang.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:19

Okay, maybe I'm with you on that one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:21

It doesn't, it does it absolutely does nothing for me at all. Does nothing for me. Give me Dolly Parton, give me Kenny Rogers, give me George Strait, uh Ronnie Millsap, you know, those guys there. Um, I mean, I'll I'll even go a little more current, you know. I um I just saw uh uh a few months back, I saw Brooks and Dunn, and I always have known who Brooks and Dunn are. I saw them for the first time live a few months back, and man, they just punched me right in the in the in the chest there. They were so good, such a great show, such just a a great catalog. And so that's where I come from on the countryside. And when I listen to Gail Bird, I get that feeling. If I look you you up on iTunes on my iPad versus my phone, my cell phone, I get a different list of of songs. I get all your stuff on my iPad, I don't get all of it on my cell phone. I don't understand why it's the same iTunes account, but I don't know. So, but I was you know just listening to it, I'm going, yeah, these guys, this is this is uh yeah, this is like my country music, you know, and and there's a couple of artists that I really I really like. They're um, you know, they're they're pretty young guys. Um, and you may have heard of them, they're not big time at all, and I would love so much for them to be on the program here, just not only to be able to talk to them, but get some exposure as well. Uh, one guy is his name is Heath Sanders. Um, don't know if you're aware of that name. Guys, just a good old boy from like Alabama, worked the oil fields with his old man and stuff like that. And just I just like them the message he puts in his music, the sound. It's just that good old country music. And and another one is Austin Moody. Um, same, same type of thing, you know. And I just I I like that stuff, and and you guys are right there, and I just I dig it. I dig it. So thank you. That's awesome. No, thanks for that. So nobody that you really kind of just uh hey man, let's uh we we need to get on a bill with these guys. We do enjoy some Chris Stapleton. So okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:50

It's really what's what's difficult, Ben, is um where where we live, it's uh there are bands that come through town from most of the venues that are like Grateful Dead covers or um you know some reggae, just things that people can kind of intoxicate themselves with more that kind of goes with what what they're putting in their bodies kind of thing. And yeah, um, that's what a lot of the venues are like looking at, or they're you know, they're larger venues that if you're not on a um uh with a touring manager and and you're not in you know that um being booked by a group, um like good luck. Um there in South Carolina, the way the policy something happened with with politics, a lot of venues shut down. Um they did this liability where the venue or the bar would be liable if somebody was a hundred percent liable, even if they had one drink at your venue and five at another, you're just as 100% liable. And so uh insurance to have a bar and a venue went up through the roof if you sell alcohol, um, to where a lot of these places said, hey, we don't make enough money to even pay for this insurance um to even operate. So then you shut down a lot of venues throughout South Carolina uh because they couldn't they were operating because they loved music and they were making they were breaking even. Um and which is it's hard. Like it this is a business at the end of the day, um and it's a tough business unless you have an audience that's humongous, and when you go to a city, you if if you can pull 20% of that audience in that city, you're doing good. Um, but if you don't have this huge audience, you don't have a huge backing and so many ad dollars to get people to fill your for fill your your concerts, um, like you're you're lucky to like break even and keep going, and then you've got a tour for 300 days a year, or you've got to do something pretty crazy where you can't have a family, you can't have a life, you can't coach sports, all these things. It's like what where do you have to like draw the line? We're drawing the line, the fact that like we'll do some things, we'll try to do some festivals, we'll try to do some things throughout the year, but getting a show and then getting people to stop their busy lives that you know um and build a fan base and get these people to stop their lives and come to see you on a Thursday night, you know. Um, we got we have a gig on Thursday as well at the Charleston Poor House, um, which a great venue, great sound, all those things that you'd want in a venue. Um, but it was it was it was a job to get that, you know. It was a full-time job of reaching out and prospecting and trying to get responses to even book that. It is not easy to be a full band and and have performances that pay, and they got to pay back your label. And if you're not fruitful and you're not like streaming, doesn't bring in all the money for artists, artists don't make up their money from streaming. Artists make their money from touring and from selling things and and doing all that kind of stuff. Uh, and so that's we're grateful we get to do it right now, but we're trying to figure out how to pioneer it to where we can continue to do it, uh, but not also sacrifice our children and our families and our lives just so that we can continue to make music and and have consumers tell us what they want, when they want it, how they want it. Um so the biggest thing we could ask for from people who love music and want to see newer bands survive and thrive or support them is you know, go to their website and buy their merch.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:35

You know, um is huge, just buy a t-shirt or you know, if the band is selling their own music on their website through a you know CDs or an album or something like that, just buy it. You put down the 25 bucks or the 30 bucks for the for the music for a t-shirt, something like that. You know, it's and and I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, Josh, but you you but you're talking business here, and it's so important because most of the casual fans themselves, they have no idea. They they see the word music and forget the word business. And that second word business is so important, and that's actually what it is. They might be seeing something, listening to something they enjoy, but there's a business aspect to that, and the artist that is recording that music or performing that music live, yes, you're doing it because you enjoy it. And fortunately, for you uh for for for you and for Gail Bird, you're in a position where you don't have to make a living off of this, but this is but you don't want to have to do it for free either. You know, you you know, you like to bring in a few bucks. That's the business side of it because you want to make enough to where it like like Sean and I were talking earlier. I just I've got this black rifle coffee sitting on the table here. Yes, it's product placement. I'm in I I'm hoping to get them as a sponsor soon. Not because I need to make all kinds of money. No, I just want it to pay, I want it to pay for this podcast every month. That's that's kind of I would be happy with that because I hemorrhage money from this. This isn't, I don't, I do this at it it's not for free, people. It's free to you, but it but I hemorrhage money doing this, and that's okay. That's me. I don't need to, you know, I don't need anybody to to to to feel sorry for me. I do it because I love it. So, but the the business side of that is so so very important for people to understand and and and to your audience, to my audience, look, if you enjoy whether it's Gail Bird or anyone else, get on their website, buy a t-shirt. Go to if you can go to a show, if you're you know local to where they're playing, you can go to a show, go to a show. I I'm sure you guys are playing like clubs, you know, two, three hundred people, you know. And so in those venues, and I love to see club shows because it's so much more intimate. And I I've always said, like I was telling you a few weeks back when we talked on the phone, guys, you know, I sit in front row at the church, you know. So, so you know, I when I go to a show, I want to be right up in front of the stage, so close that I scare the band, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. You know, getting spit on, sweat on, everything else, you know. But but go out and support these acts, you know. A club show, it's gonna cost you, you know, 30 bucks, maybe 40 bucks or whatever, you know, if you're getting hosed on uh uh uh the you know uh the secondary charges on your ticket, that kind of thing. But it's all good stuff, man. And I I love live music. And I I for an act like you guys to be able to come out to the West Coast, it'd be quite expensive, very, very expensive. And um you guys might be forcing me to make a road trip or something, I don't know. But uh maybe I see that in the future sometime. Yeah, I love it. I love it, man. You guys are you guys are awesome. Can we can we do can we do kind of some fun stuff before we before we get out of here? Is that cool? Yeah, sounds good. I don't I don't do this a lot. I've done it a couple of times and I don't know. It was kind of fun for me anyway. So and it is my show, so um, all right. I want to I want to I want to play like two quick games, two quick games. The first one is this or that, okay? And the answer isn't your answer isn't wrong, it's just whatever. So we'll start with you, Sean. Beatles or stones. Stones. Okay, excellent. Sean. Beatles or stones. Oh, Josh. Josh. Uh oh, I said Sean. I'm sorry. Yeah, Josh, Josh. Beetles and Beatles.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:05

Beatles.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:06

Okay, all right. And I like them both. I do, I enjoy them both, but I kind of like that dirty, punky aspect of the stones a little bit more, you know. So um, all right. Sean, cheeseburger or pizza? Ooh, uh, cheeseburger. Okay, Josh. Burger all day. There you go. There you go. See, no wrong answer because they're both so good. Uh all right, Sean, cake or pie? Ooh, cake. Not a big pie guy. Josh. I'm pie guy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:41

Well, it's got ice cream though, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:44

Hey, that's up to you. You know, if you have some in the freezer, sure, throw it on there. There you go. All right. Um, I think we I think I know where you guys are gonna go with this one. Sean, beach or lake?

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:56

Oh, uh lake. Oh, lake.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:00

All day. I loved looking at the beach, hanging out at the lake. All right, Josh.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:05

God, that's tough. I can't stand sand sometimes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:13

So uh no, it gets in your shorts and in your butt and back and everything. No, forget that. I know. Gosh.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:23

I'm sorry. I have to go with the sound though. I'm going beach. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:27

You know, and I like them both, but I was never a surfer, even though I'm born and raised here in Southern California. Never a surfer. Um, but no, I enjoy the lake. Give me the lake all day long because I love water skiing and knee boarding, you know. So I'm good with that. And I bet you have some beautiful lakes in South Carolina. We do.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:45

North and South Carolina, we've got some large lakes and and um yeah, all the fun.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:51

Awesome, awesome. Okay, last one on this or that. Day or night. Day. I'm I'm an I'm a night owl.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:03

That's why you guys work so well because supplement each other. Yeah, everything was was the opposite.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:08

I get too distracted during the day. I got a million messages coming in. I got everybody wanting something at night. Nobody, nobody bothers me. So yeah. At night I'm sleeping. Yeah, I hear you. I that's me.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:21

That's me. You know, I I'm uh I don't know if I told you guys like I'm I'm a I'm a delivery driver for Cisco Food Service, so I'm sure you see our trucks around the South Carolina. You know, and uh so I mean I'm I'm starting at oh dark 30, you know, Monday through Friday. So yeah, no, I'm I'm asleep. I'm asleep early.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:46

Uh yeah, I I I enjoy that. That's that's for sure. Because when I start work, you guys are well, you might be just getting to bed, Josh, but uh Sean, you're you're in your REM sleep. Get ready. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:59

Ben, I'll bet I'll make you laugh. I'll make you laugh. Uh you know, if if growing up in with a family wasn't already difficult, operating a restaurant together as a family. Toughest business. Toughest business in the world. And it it that was the uh icing on the cake that kind of pulled pulled the family apart at you know, at that point. Um and uh but the Cisco food truck, man, it went when it was on time, you were like, thank God we were out of so many things, and they're here they are, and you know, and um and it's just uh and then the the roads you guys have to fit down and how you gotta, you know, yeah, it just that is that God bless you, because that is uh that is a job in itself of figuring out where do I leave the truck, and it's got you know all that kind of stuff. So um that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:49

Gosh, you know, I wish I I wish I got that sort of welcome whenever I would pull up to to to make a delivery my customers. People would come running out, you know, oh Cisco, you're here, so good to see you. No, it just doesn't happen, right? Yeah, yeah, I I think maybe it's that um it's because I'm here in in California and you know most folks here in California have that welcoming mentality, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:13

It's happening internally for them, I think.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:15

Just assume that. Okay. All right, all right. I'll I'll I'll go with your uh your thought on that, Sean. All right, so next one, real quick. I was told that this I never watched The Office. I was told that this like game came from the office. The island questions, I had no idea. I've never seen the office. All right, but I just threw some together. So you guys are gonna go live on a deserted island by yourself the remainder of your days, all right. But you're gonna be afforded certain amenities, whatever it is that you like. So we'll start with you again, Sean. What kind of food are you taking to that island? Uh just straight cookie dough. That's all I want. Wow. Okay. I love some cookie dough. Oh my goodness. All right. All right. I look, I love that. I'm a I'm a I got a sweet tooth, like nobody's business. You know, I have I have the the um I have the palate of like a 12-year-old. Okay. I just you give me cheese pizza, give me a bowl of cereal, you know. I'm I'm I'm good to go. Give me cake, ice cream, pie, all that stuff. So I'm good to go. Josh, what about you?

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:26

I mean, give me a spice rack, number one, because I can make anything taste good with the right spices. But number two, if you're gonna give me one thing and one one item, it's gonna be Snyder's uh honey mustard pretzel pieces.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:38

Oh so good. So good. You know who else does a good job with that? This is and and unfortunately, they're not a sponsor, but you never know. Dots.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:48

Dots I've come to I've come to appreciate the twists from dots. Yes, yep, they got a garlic one and something else.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:54

Yeah, garlic parm is good. I just bought a bag at the grocery store last night. I got cinnamon sugar in my pantry. I just downed a bag of them this week for honey the honey mustard ones. Good stuff, yeah. Good stuff. All right. Uh now we're talking food here. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:10

Um, all right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:11

Sean, what candy bar are you taking? I look at cookie dough, so you gotta get my cookie dough.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:16

York peppermint patties, my favorite candy. I love it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:20

Okay, all right. What about you, Josh? Um, to go almond joy. Almond joy. You can share half and still have a whole. That's it. Great. That's it. That was that was that was the admercial, yeah. Exactly. Back in the 70s, okay, when I was a kid. Uh all right. What book are you taking, Sean?

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:43

Ooh, uh, let's go with uh I'm reading one by Dallas Willard called The Divine Conspiracy and loving it. So I'm gonna finish that book on my island.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:55

And Josh.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:56

There's a book I read all the time. Uh the cover says Holly by Holly Bible.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:01

I was gonna say yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:03

Yeah, no, man should not live on bread alone. Um, you know, I'll never get tired of reading the word of God, and I need I need I need to I need more of it in my life all the time. And so I like would going to a deserted island and not having any responsibilities and having the word of God sounds wonderful to me right now. Um, so it's it's like a cry for help.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:24

No, it sounds good to me, you know. I when I was in high school, when I was in high school, I would, I would, you know, I'd read my Bible every night. I'd read uh, you know, maybe one chapter of a book or whatever, and um read it every night, say my prayers, and I had no clue what I was reading, one because I'm a teenager and had no no uh we we weren't a family uh church going family. And then two, I'm reading the King James version and not the new King James version. So right, yeah, no. Anyway, but yeah, I so so I need to make up for a lot of lost time on all that stuff, and I I'd I'll take uh I'd take that one with me too, so I could catch up. There you go. Um, all right. One CD or album, if you're of my age, you take you take vinyl.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:22

Uh Nickel Creek, uh When the is it When the Fire Die? Who let the Fire Die? Okay. Um that album, I think, was the first one that got me thinking critically about lyrics and has inspired me ever since. Okay. Love it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:36

Great, great, Josh. I I've had a lot of time to and years to already have my answers down.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:55

Man, uh I don't know, Cohen Cambria. Uh was uh Favor House Atlantic was the title of the or is it Starship? Uh gosh.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:10

Um that some really heavy stuff. It is. Uh okay, that just though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:24

I'm trying to um like some hardcore metal there, right? It is well, I mean that was uh that was a certain time in my life, but that those those records, those records, uh um, yeah, I think it was a favorite house Atlantic. Um the the whole record tells a story. Um and um, you know, the and the two albums after that too, but uh they tell a story. Um and there's the lyrics are pretty when you get into them, they make so much sense. Uh without them, they're just like, what in the heck is this guy singing about? Um and um so it's pretty it's pretty unique. That was the first time that had happened in my life of like this guy's actually telling like an entire story throughout the entire album in some sci-fi type way, which is just incredible.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:19

Okay. Uh well, and for me, like I would take um I kind of cheat on this one because I would take Journey Time 3, which is a box set, it's got three CDs in it. Yeah, yeah. So that's the one that I always I always go to. That's that's my go-to there. Uh one movie. Hook.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:42

Dumb and door.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:47

You know, I used to say, I used to say fast times at Ridgemont High, but uh, and that's just that I mean, come on. That's that's a yeah, that's a great birthday party in here. Yeah, that's right. There's no birthday party for me here. So um, but but I've kind of turned and I just love that movie, but you know what? Give me some tombstone all day every day. Wow, and I'll take that one. Yeah, that's such a fab fabulous movie. Um, all right. One person, dead or alive, cannot be your spouse for conversational purposes only.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:27

Ooh, you should say can't be Jesus, your spouse or yourself.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:32

Well, yeah, I mean, come on, Jesus is not you. I mean, in that sense, he's not your spouse.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:39

So if you can't, what I'm what I mean, like, is that you can't choose him, you know, you get him for eternity.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:44

So uh I'm gonna say I'm gonna say George Benson. Always loved him, and he could sing me to sleep. It just it's perfect. Wow, take George Benson.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:56

I like that. And after Sean or Josh gives his answer, I'm coming back to you on George Benson. All right, go ahead, Josh.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:05

God maybe going along with Hook since I'm thinking about Hook is Rob Williams.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:15

I would never not be entertained.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:17

Yeah, definitely. Um and not to try to one up either of you, I always I've always said my dad, but the reason why, there's there's a good reason though. See my dad would uh my dad would have been 102 years old this year, okay, if he was still alive. And he passed away at 75 years old. Um and I didn't see him for the last nine years of his life. Didn't see him, didn't hear from him. And he was a World War II veteran, fought in the uh fought on the destroyer in the Pacific. So, which he never talked about. Talked about when we were growing up, other than the fact that he had a anchor tattoo like Popeye on his forearm. And um, we knew he was in the Navy and we knew kind of what he did. He didn't share any of that stuff. So there's just so many stories I'd like to get out of him, so much stuff. And so that's why I always kind of go to that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:20

Yeah. My my wife's grandpa was in World War II. He was a in a prisoner of war camp. And it was the same thing. They would try so hard to document any little snippet they could find when he would finally talk about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:31

Yeah. And I I love our veterans. You know, I celebrated our veterans last year for Veterans Day. I'm working on a couple of things for this year. I'm hoping they come through. Um, you know, and I want to get them in studio because I I just I love it. I love it. And I love our veterans and God bless our veterans, our our our current serving military personnel, our police, fire, first responders, everybody. God bless all of them. So um, all right. So you mentioned George Benson, Sean. Love now. Now I I don't go deep into George Benson. I know you know the hits, um, but a great voice, and he's known for being just a fabulous jazz guitarist. And but did you know that some one of my favorite bands actually worked with uh besides a million other artists, worked with George in studio, and he actually one of his hits was written by David Page of Toto.

unknown: 1:31:34

No way.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:35

Toto worked with George Benson. Oh, no way. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the song now. It's um um I have these, I have these playlists. I I listen to a lot of Sirius XM and um when I'm not listening to my my conservative talk and stuff, I I I'm listening to uh I'm listening to the the the big 40 countdown on channel eight, you know, and and uh when it's a great one, I like write them, write them all down, then I make a playlist and put it in my put in my iTunes account. And and uh I was just listening to to one, I don't even remember what year it was, might have been 80 late 83 or something like that, and a song from George was on, and it's just so good and and what a what an incredible talent.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:22

I had the privilege of seeing him a couple years ago with the local orchestra. Oh man, that was just such a show. I love his his ability, his writing, everything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:33

See, it's just like we were talking earlier. So when music is so good and it just like it hits you right there, and it just gives you a tremendous feeling. It doesn't matter what the genre is, it doesn't matter if it's I mean my wife teases me all the time because I'm I'm um be because we're in church on Sunday and and just that worship song, and I'm just sobbing like crazy, and she's like, looking at me, are you crying? You know, it's just this is one of those things, you know, just to get you music is special, absolutely. It is, it's so it is incredibly special. I feel like ever since a very, very young age, probably seven, eight years old, I've just I've had this incredible relationship with music, just a special relationship. And what's a shame is that now 60 years old, I still consider myself an athlete. I was at I was an athlete growing up, and and you know, I thought I was gonna play third bass for the Dodgers when uh when the time came and it didn't happen, but nonetheless, I've always been an athlete, and there's a thing like athletes want to be musicians, and musicians want to be athletes. And it didn't didn't work out for me either way. I have a uh you guys are you I don't care if you're playing a show or not, you guys are gonna have to come out here and bring Melissa.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:57

We need to, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:58

Well, I I first off I want the trio because I I want I want you guys to perform in my living room because I do have an acoustic guitar hanging in my attic that I can't play a note on. Um, I've had my share of guitars over my life wanting to play them, and I and uh they sit around for a while and then I just get rid of them. Um and I have a broken down bass in in the attic as well. I need to get it fixed too. But you guys can come. I I'll you know I'll supply the instruments and you guys can come and and and and put on a little you know Diddy in the living room here. But um, yeah, I know that I know that for you, Josh, you'll pick up any instrument wherever it might be and and go to town.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:37

So yeah, yeah. Both of us we have a hard time, you know, not picking up an instrument and trying to play a song.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:43

That is that is just that's tremendous. I have so much admiration for any person who can play an instrument, and then you get even more if you play multiple instruments because it's just it because it's something I've always wanted to do, and I can't do it. And the the love that I have for music, I just I watch people playing, and it's like I'm I'm just I'm I'm in awe and I'm fascinated by it. And like I said, I just have so much admiration for it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:14

I think with time in the truck, uh, what I would do if I were you is I'd go on Amazon and I'd buy um some um what's the brand, Sean, that I like. Um there's a brand of harmonica. Um the Koner. Either Kona, and there's one other. Um, and get one in each key and then figure out when this radio comes on or your favorite song, as long as you're in the same key, it's not gonna sound terrible. But then learn how to learn how to control your mouth to where it's one blowing through one hole or three holes, um, and breathing in and breathing out. And you literally, if you have that much time in the truck every day, you should be able to master harmonica in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:59

So yeah, and then and then I can join the band, right? Look, I can keep rhythm, I can keep time, you know. Give me a tambourine, right? Yeah, you know, yeah. I can be like the you know, fifth beetle or whatever. No, I'll be the I'll be the fifth fourth or fifth Gale bird. How's that? There you go. That's it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:20

That's it. Yeah, when we do play a uh a show though, we've we've got seven. You got a full-on band, seven or eight usually, and uh and um and so it's uh it's a it's a show. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:34

Are you guys all fighting for uh fighting for room on the stage there or what? It might be a little cozy, but yeah, we're we're good friends. Right on. That's great. Uh man. So all right. Uh tell everybody where they can find your music, how they can follow you. Let's give it this get all your socials and all that good stuff out of the way. Let's get it done.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:59

Yeah. If it's uh going, you know, the quickest way to get to everything is Gail Bird.com. G-A-L-E-B-I-R-D.com. If you're looking and just going straight to Amazon Music, iTunes, Spotify, it's G-A-L-E space bird, like the bird that flies in the sky. Um and um, you know, if you're on social media, it's at Gail Bird Music. Um, and um, we hope you you know can get over there, stream the music, um, and buy some merch. Um, and uh let's uh let's try to keep this thing rolling so that we can reach as many people as possible and um impact marriages and and expand the kingdom.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:38

Yeah, exactly. Spreading the word, that's what it's all about. Um yeah, folks, look, just buy some, you know. Do you well let me before I before I go on with that, do you have physical music on your website or is it just the streaming stuff right now? Just the streaming stuff. Okay, so you can't buy the music on their website, but go buy a t-shirt. How's that? All right, that's it. Go buy a t-shirt. And if you are in the Charleston, South Carolina area or anywhere else in South Carolina, and you can make it to a show, make it to a show. Uh, but check out the music of Gail Bird, it's really good stuff. And if you are a country music fan and you like that good down home country music, you like that sound, you are going to enjoy Gail Bird and you are gonna enjoy some good lyrical content. Uh, and to what Josh was saying, it's gonna help you think a little bit differently in your marriage, in your relationship, in your walk, uh, your Christian walk. And uh yeah, it's it it'll pump you up. So it's all good stuff. Um, stick with me for a minute, guys, uh, while I close out, okay? Yep. So don't go anywhere. Um that's a wrap, folks. We're done here. Uh, can't thank you enough for being here. As you know, this program is available wherever you stream your podcast. Just go to whatever service it is you're using, search the Ben Maider program, boom, it's right there. Go with it. Um, subscribe to it, download it, give me a five-star rating because I deserve it. These guys deserve it too. These guys deserve 10 stars. Um, but if you've enjoyed this because you can't resist this, and maybe a little bit of that uh wait, that over there and that right there, then uh and you're watching on YouTube. Thank you so much for doing it. Thanks for spending some time with us. Uh, but you have to subscribe to the channel, all right? You you you gotta subscribe to the channel. Uh, you gotta give me a thumbs up and you gotta leave a comment. I've replied to all your comments. You guys know that. Uh last but not least, follow me on Instagram, simply Ben Maynard program, all one word, or you can follow me on the TikTok. And yes, I say the TikTok on purpose, people. It's not because I'm 60 and I'm an old guy. Uh, but follow me on TikTok, uh, the Ben Maynard program. So there you go. That's it. We're done. Uh again, thanks for being here. You guys are great, and uh, I will check you guys next time. This is the Ben Maynard program tell a friend.