EP. 137 Two 1981 Rock Masterpieces And The Memories They Trigger

Two records dropped in the summer of 1981 and somehow never stopped living in our heads. We’re celebrating the 45th anniversary of Foreigner 4 and Journey Escape, and we’re doing it the only way that feels honest: track by track, memory by memory, with the little details that turn “classic rock” from a genre into a time machine.

We start with Foreigner 4, a monster album co-produced by Mutt Lange and Mick Jones, and talk about why the sequencing hits so hard, from “Night Life” and “Jukebox Hero” to the emotional gut-punch of “Waiting For A Girl Like You.” We also dig into the underrated side two, the sax spotlight on “Urgent,” and the way deep cuts like “Woman In Black” and “Don’t Let Go” prove this record is more than its radio staples. If you’re into vinyl, we even get into sleeves, labels, and what makes finding a clean copy such a thrill.

Then we pivot to Journey Escape, the diamond-certified breakthrough that brought Jonathan Cain into the band and pushed the songwriting into the stratosphere. We relive seeing the Escape tour at the Rose Bowl, break down why “Don’t Stop Believin’” can be both immortal and overplayed, and give love to favorites like “Who’s Crying Now,” “Stone In Love,” “Lay It Down,” and “Open Arms.” If you’ve ever attached your life to an album, you’ll recognize the feeling.

Subscribe to the Ben Maynard program, share this with a friend who still argues about track lists, and leave a review or comment with the one song that instantly takes you back.

Transcript

Welcome And Subscribing

SPEAKER_00 0:14

If we do a new one, then you you can be in there. Hey there, everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey there, everyone. Welcome into the Ben Maynor program. Thanks for being here. And look who's back. Yeah. Back by popular demand. And it wasn't my demand, it was yours. You all demanded it. So yeah, spaz is back. The return of spaz. Maybe that's what we'll call the episode. The return of spaz. Do not make me too popular. Yeah. So listen, uh, we have a really good one uh today. Really, really great episode. And it's gonna be an absolute ton of fun. And if you're in, you know, look, you know, we celebrate album anniversaries and that kind of stuff on this uh podcast here. So if you're into it, then uh, you know what, sit back, relax, and enjoy because it's gonna be a lot of fun. However, before we get into it, as you guys know, this program is available wherever you get your podcasts, and it's on YouTube. So just search the Ben Maynard program and subscribe. All right. Um, or you know, follow me on my socials as well. Uh, it's uh Ben Maynard program, all one word. That's Instagram. Boy, you'd think I knew what I was doing, right? Like I've done this before, huh? Geez. Uh, and then you can follow me on the TikTok. It is at the Ben Mayner program. So there are plenty of ways to take in this show for your dancing and listening pleasure. And uh here we go. I'm just nervous because spaz is back. That's what it is. Really, honestly, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Nothing to be nervous about.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Well, you know, it's been a little bit, you know, since you've been in here, and I just get all like starstruck. So so look, today is a really, really special day, and the last couple weeks have been really, really special as far as um, you know, bands that this guy over here and this guy right here love and have loved for many, many years. And we're gonna celebrate them tonight, all right, and we're gonna talk about it. Um so

Setting Up Album Anniversaries

SPEAKER_00 2:40

you see the crawl across the screen. If you're watching, if you're listening, I'm sorry, you can't see it. But we are gonna celebrate two iconic albums that are turning 45. As a matter of fact, one of them is 45 today. So there you go. So I'm gonna reach down here, so I'll be off mic. So keep everybody entertained. Okay, you can say whatever you want, Spaz.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

I don't have anything to say right now.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

A man of a whole bunch of words, right? So let's get let's get started with this one right here. Okay,

Foreigner 4 Release Context

SPEAKER_00 3:16

we're just gonna get right into this. Foreigner for because look, and we this guy and I, we have stories for days on these two albums. So it's gonna be a bunch of fun. Yeah, uh, the first one we're gonna we're gonna get started with is Foreigner 4. Now, this album was uh was released on July 3rd, 1981. So it's already turned 45. And um when I when I called Spaz, I when I would I call you, I don't know, like a month ago or so, something like that. And I was like, hey, hey, July 17th, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're gonna do this. And you're like, yeah, let's do it, no problem. And then I was like, wait a second. And I I know I'm holding out on the second one, but you guys, if you're watching, you already figured it out. But um I started thinking, I went, wait a second, Foreign or Four also came out that same summer. So I looked it up and it was like July 3rd, and I was like, oh, okay, well, we're gonna do the podcast on the 17th, but you know what? That's close enough. We're celebrating Foreigner Four also because it's just such an iconic album, you know.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

Yeah, it certainly is.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Oh, yeah, definitely. So I'm gonna go over, I'm gonna do the tail of the tape on this one, and then you and I will run down the track listing. We're gonna run down, you know, our favorite songs on this. We're gonna talk about if we have a story on a song, if we got a story about the tour, about whatever it is regarding this record, then that's what we're gonna do. Okay. Sound good? I know you got your notes with you, so you know, you better be ready to talk, Mister. All right. So tail of the tape for uh for this record for Fourner Four. It like I said, it was released July 3rd, 1981. It's got 10 songs, 10 tracks, and it's got a running time of 42 minutes and 10 seconds. This album, this is what's so cool, and I think I may have talked about this on last week's episode. This is what's really kind of cool. This album was co-produced by Mutt Lang. And and and it was also co-produced by Mick Jones. But Mick Jones, I think I haven't gone back and looked at every single foreigner record, but I think Mick Jones pretty much produced every single one, or was at least a co-producer on every single one. The only one I I'm not sure if he had a hand in the production is uh is Agent Provocator. That's the only one I think he still did, but I don't recall. But nonetheless, so it's produced by uh Mutt Lang, and Mutt Lang is an icon in in the music industry. I mean, huge producer, but produced so many different uh artists from um from uh ACD. Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth. A C D C. Well, he did he did uh the first one he did with AC DC was the Highway to Hell album. Yeah, then he did Back in Black, and I think he also did for Those About to Rock. I think he did those three. Uh I don't I don't know for sure. Don't check me on that one on For Those About to Rock, but he definitely did Highway to Hell and Back in Black. And look at those albums. Highway to Hell put A C D C on the map, Back and Black blew it up. So, you know, when you have Mutt Lang producing your album, good things are gonna happen, that's for sure. I mean, he produced uh Deaf Leopard's High and Dry.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Yeah, that's a good album.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

It put them on the map. He produced Pyromania, blew them up.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

That was the that was that was the key album.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Blew them up. And then uh just just get a little tiny bit closer to the microphone, sir, please. Thank you. Oh yeah. Um can you hear me now? Yeah, I think we can hear you now. Don't be like the don't be like the the what the Verizon guy. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? And use your dulcet tones. Come on, man. I want people to hear you.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

So maybe maybe they don't want to hear me. Uh they do.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

They miss you. They miss you. They call me and text me all the time. When's spaz coming back on? When's spaz coming back on? I'm like, hold your horses, okay? It's not called the Spaz program, you know. Come on. Anyway, so I digress. But and I don't want to keep going into all the Mutt Lang records because this isn't about Mutt Lang today. However, he did produce this one, and it's uh the biggest album in Foreigner's catalog, you know, sales-wise. Um, I mean, it's sold over six million copies the last time it was certified. So depending on when that was, and I doubt seriously, it was within the last 20 years. Um, six million, it's it's probably it could be eight million now, yeah. You know, and it could it could be close to reaching diamond status. So um, but what a fantastic album. Just you know, first off, let me ask you what is do you have like a specific recollection as to like when this album first came out?

SPEAKER_03 8:39

So first

Foreigner 4 Side One Highlights

SPEAKER_03 8:40

you want me to bring this up?

SPEAKER_00 8:41

I want you to bring it up. I'm gonna bring up one word talison.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

He'll know what that's about. Talison. You guys all try to start a band together. Yes, we did, and you asked what you named it, and but you were doing a lot of Horner Force.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Damn, dude, I that's so awesome. You remember that. This guy right here is probably the only one that remembers that name, Talison. That was the that was that was the name of our band. That's right. Yes, and uh and and and uh John was John was the drummer, Matt was uh on keyboards, I was on vocals, um uh Danny Trevino, that's a friend of brother Jim. He was on guitar, and Nelson was on well, Nelson was on saxophone. Uh I don't remember, honestly, I don't remember if we had a bass player. Might have been Nelson, he might have been bass and sax, but that was just a fan. I had nothing to do. I need that. I don't need the record, it kept skipping.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

That's that that's giving an urgent, it kept skipping over and over and over.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yeah, we would put on John's 45, his single of Urgent, trying to get Nelson to uh get down the sax solo, and uh and um yeah, it would skip. I still remember the part where it would skip. It's a you're playing tricks, tricks, trick, tricks, tricks, keep doing that, kept doing it over and over, and never stopped. That is, dude, that is so awesome you brought that. I can't even believe you brought that up. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's your first recollection. That's what you think of when you think of Foreigner Four.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yes. Oh man. And John's uh full of donut boxes all over the place where they're trying to sing, trying to make a song.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Yeah, we are you guys are already trying to re replicate with them with Foreigner Four.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Well, you know, um, you know, going back to 1981, and I I don't I didn't get the album right away, but I rem obviously I remember it coming out and I was I was you know thrilled about it because um you know we're big Foreigner fans and um the first single was Urgent. Uh why don't actually, you know what? Let's run down the track list, okay? You run it down. What do you got on uh as you drop the needle on side one? What do you got there?

SPEAKER_03 11:02

Side one, yeah. Uh nightlife. Yeah. Oh, opening track, nightlife. Yeah, and then jukebox hero, breaking it, breaking it up. Wait for a girl like you, very popular song, in the wand. That's the first side of the side. Yeah, that's side one.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

So let's stick with side one. So nightlife. What an absolutely awesome opener.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

It was a good opener song. I mean, just like going, yeah, it was the flow was listening to music.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

The flow of that song, it just started off it doesn't matter if you if you drop a the needle on the record or you put the cassette in because we didn't have CDs in 1981. But but uh you know, you start it and man, it hits you in the face right away with nightlife. Just you know, that first note. And what an absolute killer song. Uh what I'm trying to think of the opening line. Um wake up in time to see the sun go down. Yeah. Um, turn on the six o'clock news, see what's happening in this town.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

I can't believe you remembered all that.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Oh, yeah, you know, and um just so so cool. So cool. What a great song. And you know, I've said it in the past, and and and I've gone back and I've been starting to listen to, you know, kind of been on a foreigner kick and just listening to a lot of foreigner. And I said in the past, I think it was one episode that you and I were in, were on together, that you know, Mick Jones that the band did not have a lot of guitar solos in their in their songs, and that's partially true, but um maybe I was I didn't recall a lot of stuff. There are a lot more guitar solos than I remember, and they're fantastic. And maybe it's because Mick Jones was not a guitar hero. You know, you didn't kids didn't have posters of Mick Jones hanging on their their their bedroom walls. Yeah, Foreigner is kind of like known more for their songs than any one band member. I mean, and and and even going way back then, the focus was more on Mick and Lou. We didn't, I don't think we realized it at the time, but but certainly when you look at the writing credits and all that kind of stuff, you see it's either Mick Jones or Lou Graham or them both, yeah, co-writing together. So, but but anytime you saw posters of of Foreigner, it was always the band.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Yeah, all together.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yeah. So so maybe that's what made me kind of not realize that there were more guitar solos than than than uh they had quite a few.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Oh only because I saw I just recently saw saw a show where they where they perform in Chicago and they had you know Mick Jones must have had four or five souls in those songs that he was performing. Yeah, yeah, and they were good.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

So well, and and and nightlife, yeah, starting that off with a just a killer guitar solo, really, really killer guitar solo. So what comes after that? That's uh so nightlife leads it off, punches you in the face, and gets you going. What uh what what's next on that?

SPEAKER_03 14:24

Jukebox Hero.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Oh yeah, yeah. Just the slow start, thumping, boom, boom, boom, and then this takes off. And it just kind of just like chugging and plodding along. Boom, boom, boom, boom, yeah, yeah. It's been said that that Lou was kind of it was kind of like autobiographical for Lou, um, because he was waiting outside the arena where Jimi Hendrix was playing. And so that, and then Mick says, Oh, this was about a uh an actual fan and waiting outside one of their shows. And so who knows, maybe there's a little bit of truth from both of those stories, you know, that that that write jukebox hero, but man, yeah. Killer song.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

For those that don't know who Lou is, it's Lou Graham. He's the lead singer of Warner. Lou Grammatico. If you want to put it however you want, if you want to get technical. I'll just say it's Lou Graham.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

So what so what what what's uh what's the third track on that? That's uh break it up. Oh, break it up.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Yeah, see that that that's a catchy tune.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

That is a great song. That is a great song. Um I I like the bridge in the and I mean it's it's a poppy song, but it's also it's it's got enough rock edge to it, you know. And as far as I solo too, and the solo in there is really good, and I think this this album itself is one of Foreigner's heavier albums. Uh uh, there's just a lot of really good stuff on it, and and break it up. That was the fourth single released off the album. And um, but but I like the bridge. Uh and I ask myself, what's wrong with me? You know, how could I be so blind? I mean, if you hear Louie so like he's so passionate when he's when he's he's he's singing that, and and um and you almost feel like there's tears rolling down his cheeks, and uh, you know, and then uh he he he ends it going back into the chorus again. I'm begging you, begging you, please don't break it up. Yeah, oh so good. That's such a good song.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Are you you want to sing with me on I do not want to sing? You don't want to sing with me?

SPEAKER_02 16:53

I cannot sing.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Well, who said I can sing? Okay, I can't sing. I don't want to sing. Everyone says I can't sing. I'm the only one that says I can't.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

We have enough.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

So, okay. So what what what comes after? Uh waiting for a girl like that.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Everybody knows that song.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Maybe you don't know it, go get the album and listen to it.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Oh man. That one will just stab you in the heart. It's just so it's so good.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

It's a nice and slow song.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

It's so good. And you know, there's a uh there's a version I've heard Lou singing that live, and he just kills it. He just kills it. Um just doesn't miss a beat. And and I, you know, I you and I have talked about it. I've talked about it with my audience and all that. Lou one of the absolute greatest in uh rock singers ever in the history of ever. Just such a fantastic voice. And uh you know, I listened to a lot of stuff and I and I listened to the vibrato in his voice, and it just has to have so much control in doing that, and waiting for a girl like you. Man, you remember if I remember correctly, when we saw them on this tour, remember we saw them at the the the fabulous forum. Yeah, yeah, not the great western forum, not the Kia Forum, not the this forum or that forum, the fabulous forum. And uh I was like I was a little disappointed because I don't remember Lou hitting that high note. I've been waiting. I don't remember him doing that, but I remember him kind of taking it easy. But you know, when you're out on tour, you're gonna change it up from night to night. Yeah, it's probably wore out, yeah. But uh man, that's such a great song. Such and for those of you who don't know, the biggest the biggest single on the album, chart wise, is spent ten consecutive weeks at number two. Number two on the Billboard Top 40. It was held out of the top spot for nine weeks by do you know which one? Do you know what song held it out for nine weeks? No?

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Too far.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Too far back? Yeah, too far. Okay. Olivia Newton John's Physical.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Oh god, yeah. I know the song, I still remember it being number one for that long.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, held it out for nine weeks, and then and then the song that was in the number three spot when when physical dropped out of the number one spot, the number three song leapfrogged over Waiting for a Girl Like You and took the top spot, and that was uh I can't go for that by Holland Oaks. Oh wow, yeah, yeah. Oh man, but number two, yeah. I wouldn't complain number two for 10 straight weeks. No way. Yeah, uh, so what's what song rounds out side one?

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Luann.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Luann.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

It's a catchy song.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

It's very catchy, very, very catchy. Um what a fantastic I look, my my feeling on this, and maybe I should say, I know I'm like talking it up, and I haven't even let you say that.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Sorry, you say whatever you need to say.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

No, but yeah, but you got to get in on this too. I I am. Um a man of many words over here. Um, so uh it it I think that this album is a masterpiece. I truly believe that this album, Foreigner Four, is I would I would agree, yeah, is a masterpiece. Um, it was very well received critically. Um there's a host of players on here, and I'll bring it up as we get to, or maybe even Spaz is gonna bring it up. Um, some of the players that were on here uh when we start talking side two. But before we get talking side two, I got I

Seeing Foreigner At The Forum

SPEAKER_00 21:18

gotta show you this. So we talked about him and I going to see Foreigner on this tour, and it was in February of 1982, and it was a school night. Honestly, don't I don't ask me why. Do not ask me why. I think it was a Tuesday. I don't know why I would even remember that. But you know, when we were when we were kids, when we were growing up, the thing was when you went to a concert on a school night, you obviously bought the t shirt and you wore it to school the next day because you were telling all your friends you went to the show. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Why would you why would you buy a shirt otherwise? And you and I Both bought shirts. I think we paid like 10 bucks for our shirts. Yours had black sleeves. There was the three-quarter sleeves, and mine had the blue sleeves.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Can't believe it hasn't fallen apart yet.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Well, I don't wear it very much. So but oh, let me get it on the camera there. But there's the front side of it. It doesn't matter if they see you or I. There's the front side of it with the blue three-quarter sleeves. Um, and spaz looked just like this, but it had black three-quarter sleeves. And then here's the back of the back of the t-shirt. Um, so it's got, I don't know what the whole thing was. Foreigner loved this, loved a train. Okay, going back to their debut album where their front cover of the album is in front of a train. Um, but it's got Foreigner. And then this is the cool part is that it's specifically, this shirt was specifically made for uh the shows at the forum because it's got the forum on there with the dates. Foreigner, I think, was there for three nights. Let me see. I think the dates are on here. January 29th to February 1st. So yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe no, that would be four nights 29, 30, 31, and the first. Holy Toledo. Man. And there's no way I'm squeezing into this shirt. I think it's a large and oh no, it's a medium. So I was wearing a medium and junior in high school. I don't know, whatever. But it's obviously shrank over the years. But um yeah, there's I well, you remember because you were there. My son Jake's very first concert.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Was where? Tell everybody.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Uh what do you mean when the show that you took your son with?

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Yeah, because you were there.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

But Universal Lambeth Theater.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Yeah. Yeah. And who did we see?

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Foreigner.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Cheap trick. Oh, well, I and Loverboy.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Lover Boy Splame. I didn't remember.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

You didn't remember Cheap Trick? Cheap Trick, Lover Boy, Foreigner. And it was for the Mr. Moonlight record, it was that tour. And my son Jake wore this t-shirt.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

Maybe that's his shirt.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

No, he wore this t-shirt to the to the show. Uh, I purposely let him wear it. He was nine years old, and uh he got the attention of the guys in the band, which was really cool. I had taken my agent provocator program because I was hoping that I'd get somebody from the band to sign. Because remember, we went right down to the front of the stage after the show. Yeah, we were only like three rows, ten rows. I think it's more than the dining room. Maybe it wasn't even that many, but we were right there up front of the stage. Enough to scare the band. Boy, you yeah, that's right. That's right. That's you were 100% right. Close enough to scare the band. But you and I, we we were so fortunate we got that a lot because with this foreigner show, we were like 10th, maybe 12th row on the floor, center stage at that show at the Universal. We were right up close to so uh after the after the set when the band is out there taking their their bow and and all that, you know, we just went right to the front of the stage and they're like whooping high fives and handed out picks and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, that was that was something that was really cool. Yeah, that was um oh, before we get to side two of this record, you know um that there's uh it came out earlier this year. The tour, the foreigner four tour, is on vinyl. And it's not our show, but it's uh it's it's comprised of three different shows. And I don't remember the first two, but I remember the third the third show that makes up this uh this this compilation is from Anaheim Stadium in July of uh in fact, in fact, people, it's today, July 17th, 1982. The bill, it was the the the the what was it, the show or the the festival was called Summer Strut. And it was at Anaheim Stadium where the Angels play. Uh like 45,000 people there. The bill was Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Lover Boy, and Foreigner closing it out. What a bill.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

So so there's a live album from that tour now. I gotta get it. Even though you guys know I don't have a turntable. 50 bucks without a turntable. A little steep for me. You should see the stuff I've been picking up on record when I go record store shopping, dude. I I've got my own, yeah, I've got a nice collection I have going. I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get a turntable. I am gonna get one. I just don't know where I'm gonna put it yet. So when I figure that out, then I'll buy one, I'll make the investment, and then uh and then I'll put it up. Maybe what I'll do is you guys can't see this, but there's a monitor in the studio right here, but it's on a side wall, and it does no good because I would be looking at a monitor over here, and it would look like I'm not looking at you guys. So I need to move the monitor to the front wall of the studio, and then maybe when I do that, then I'll put the stereo up on that wall. I'll mount it there. Maybe that's what I'll do. Put a shelf up there or something. I don't know. What do you think? And then you and I'll come in here, I'll put black lights up, we'll put some posters on the wall, and we'll just listen to some records. We're not gonna get stoned because we're not stoners. We've never done that. Never. Nope, nope, nope. Sorry, sorry, ain't gonna happen. All right, all right, enough. So we're still celebrating four and a four here. This masterpiece of a record from one of our all-time favorite bands. How does side two start?

Foreigner 4 Side Two Deep Cuts

SPEAKER_03 28:08

You'll never guess.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

With the skip and tricks and everything. Uh here's the cool part, and you and I we've talked about this before, but you know, not everybody out there watches or listens to every episode. As they should. I know they should. This is like good stuff, you know. It's so good, very informative.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

You'll learn something.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

But the sack solo in that song is performed by, you remember? Jimmy Walker? Well, close. Junior. Jimmy Junior. Yeah, Junior. No, no, Jimmy. Jimmy's warm. No, you're more than warm. Jimmy was the guy from good times, you know. Dino Might. You got that totally. No. But remember, remember when they played Urgent and Junior Walker came from the side of the stage, and uh and and this is where I was saying where there's a dip there were additional players on this album. Um one, notably, uh, you guys will all recognize this name, and that's Thomas Dolby. No, Thomas Dolby played all the synthesizers on this record, the main synthesizers anyway. Um he was a nobody at the time, but but he had uh his name was getting around and and and he got the ear of Mick Jones, and and uh Mick Jones brought him in to play all the main synthesizers. Um but um but Bob Mayo, Bob Mayo, who played keyboards um on this record, also you guys probably won't recognize the name Bob Mayo, but Bob Mayo uh was uh played with Peter Frampton. As a matter of fact, if you go back to Frampton comes alive, um um feel like feel like I do, yeah. Was it feel like I do? Do you feel like I do? Well, that's like a 16-minute song. Maybe it's not quite 16, maybe it's only 14. On the live album. It's it's a it's a massive song. And Peter it Peter Frampton calls him out on the keyboards, Bob Mayo. Mr. Bob Mayo, I think he says Mr. Bob Mayo, something like that. So uh so yeah, he was a part of Peter Frampton's band way back when. So he he actually Bob was part of the touring band because at this point, remember, Foreigner went from how many members to how many? Six to four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

Well, they always had more than you know, six too.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Well, but but remember you had uh Al Al Greenwood and you had Ed Gagliardi and um Ian McDonald, you know, those guys were gone. Those guys were original members, and then they were gone. And then for this, uh actually I'm trying to remember who uh Rick Wills was brought in for uh I think Ed Gagliardi. I think no, I don't remember. I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna mess this up, but he was a drummer. No, no, no, no. Rick Wills? No, Rick Wills was the bass player. Oh Dennis Elliott was drummer. I can I get those things though. Oh, and I got I'll I gotta tell you about Dennis Elliott in a minute. Oh my goodness. But yeah, but he was but but Rick Wills was brought in on the head games album, and then there were still six six members, and then and then uh I think it was um I don't remember. Yeah, you look at your notes there.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah, you do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 31:50

No, I don't, I don't remember, but I think it was oh, it was Ian McDonald and um and Al Greenwood. They they basically were fired. Mick got rid of those guys because they wanted a little bit more control of the band writing and all that kind of stuff. And so the band, instead of adding two more permanent members, they just used uh touring musicians from that point on, and that's kind of part of the name of the album. Not only is it Foreigner's fourth album, but it kind of has a double meaning, meaning that they have gone down from six members to four members.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Yeah, that's and you're absolutely right because that's based on these notes, that's correct, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:29

But I don't know where I was going with it, but Bob Mayo is also on the on the record, and Mark Rivera, who was playing who played guitars and came out on sacks during that solo in Urgent, and see it all kind of finally comes back around a long road a hoe. But Mark and Junior played just this big extended solo, and I remember they were like going shoulder to shoulder and bumping each other and pushing each other, and it was man, and junior came out, he was looking sharp. He was in he was in a suit and everything. That is, you know, shiny shoe. Oh man, he looked sharp, but that was so good. I don't know if Junior came out for every single show on the tour. I doubt it. Maybe Junior was LA based. That's the one that had Mark, yeah. Yeah, Bill and maybe Junior was LA based, I don't know, but uh that was something else. And we've only talked about the first track on side two. So what comes next? I'm gonna win. Oh okay. You you you you gotta go first. What do you what's your like when you hear that song? What do you think about?

SPEAKER_03 33:41

It it starts it starts slow and then it and then it erupts, which is what I like to bought the songs because it started slow, and then I'm gonna win. Just like that. Just like you sing. Yeah, yeah. That's all you're getting from me. I cannot sing. Even you know, back in the day I couldn't sing either. It just it but it chugs, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

I think that's another dark night in the city. Oh, here we go. And my prospects looking thin. Yeah. It's a law in the world I live in. Oh man, that is so good. So before we get to the rest of the track listing, I I I bought this record. Um, I don't think I ever own this on record. I think I only had it on um, I have it on CD. I've had it on CD for 40 years, but um, I used to have it on cassette. And uh so I needed this record certainly for the podcast, and because I want it anyway. So I did. I went, I bought it, and it's in really, really good shape. I love the way the person that sent it to me packaged it. Um they the the the album cover itself is like, oh, I mean, it looks like it looks it looks great. It looks pretty new, it looks almost pristine. Yeah, and for 40 years. Here's here's the the the the sleeve, the record sleeve, it's got the lyrics on there. You see, you can see the lyrics right there. And then you can see they're black on one side, they're red on another side there, and it's only the song lyrics. There's no there's no album credits. The album credits are on the back side of this, and you can't even read them because the print's so small and it's in white. So with a gray, a gray, a light gray background, you can't really see. But here's here's what I think's cool too is that the the person who packaged this took the record out of that inner sleeve and put it in a paper sleeve to just to just preserve everything.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

I haven't seen that seen that type of sleeve in the city. Oh, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

This is like ancient. Yeah, but I love this. And look at the label. This is what I dig. Look at the label on that album. It's got the it's got the foreigner test pattern on there. And I just dig when bands do stuff like that where they they they make the the the record label itself um look really cool and incorporate the album cover or some other kind of artwork besides just a plain old sticker and with the track titles on there, that kind of stuff. So I think that's just fantastic. And I I did uh take the album out of this sleeve here. It is pristine, and I can't believe it. So I really lucked out with this. It didn't cost me a whole bunch of money, it wasn't an arm and a leg or anything, but so well, you don't get to play it then, you mean not get it?

SPEAKER_03 36:40

It's not worth anything to play.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Hey, when that stereo is up on the wall in there, I'm cranking this sucker. So uh yeah, anyway. So what uh so that was just I'm gonna win is track number two. Man, that's such a good song. And it and it's uh it's got good guitar work in it. This is why I was and you know, listening to just listening to a lot of Foreigner the last few weeks, um, I start picking up, oh yeah, no, there's a nice guitar solo. There's a nice guitar solo.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Yeah, and watching the show, it was it was pretty much the same thing. Yeah. I mean it they circulate that into Mick Jones is just absolutely on. Absolutely. Yep, yep. So woman in black is next. That's track three. That's track three.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Another fantastic song. Oh my gosh. Well, what what's okay? No, what's your you gotta tell me about that song?

SPEAKER_03 37:36

You gotta tell me what you that's gonna be hard to because I don't remember much about it. I've heard it once, but I haven't heard it all in a long time. They they don't perform this in the concerts.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

This is definitely a deep album track. Yeah, that's it's like a beast song. They don't they don't uh no no.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

I don't know if this song's ever been played live, but it starts out with just it, it it's it it it it doesn't fade it into it, it's it's like faded, the sound is faded, the volume is faded, and then it's and then it ramps up, and it's just this guitar. It it's it's hard to describe it because I'm not a musician, but it's just very kind of mystical sounding, and then it just Dennis kicks into the drum, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then it just kicks into this awesome guitar intro. Uh so good. It's I mean, Mick is screaming on the guitar so good. Um, and and in the middle, nice guitar solo as well. Really, really good. But uh, and it another, like kind of like uh I'm gonna win, it just kind of like chugs. And I don't know, it's it's it's something about these songs that chug. And I just something about the tempo of those songs. I just I love them. I love it, love it, love it, love it. I think some of my favorite songs are the ones that kind of just chug. But uh yeah, that woman in black, she's a mystery, she's everything a woman should be. Woman in black got a hold on me. She's in control, she won't set me free.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

You remember all that?

SPEAKER_00 39:14

I don't remember a thing about that song. Catherine gets on me all the time. Yeah, that's impressive. She gets on me all the time. But uh, and then and then what comes next? Girl on the moon.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Girl, uh that's a catchy song, too.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Very like atmospheric.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Girl on the moon.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

So good. The the the the backing vocals on that song are just so good. The you know, and that was one thing. I mean, Foreigner does have some great backing vocals. Yeah, the guys they could all sing in that band. And um, but yeah, that's a very atmospheric song. And uh, I mean, as the title would kind of suggest, it's night again. Time for my mind to go wandering. Ah, so good. Uh, I won't punish you guys too much with that stuff. I think too much. They think they're not punished at all, are they? They're already shutting this thing off. Um, all right, and then what do we finish up with? Don't let go. I don't see you for days, and you leave me in the dark, my imagination runs away. Just throw me a line, and uh I'll still hold on. I'll still hold on and I won't let go.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Just like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Oh, that's a great, that's a great album closer, it really is. That's a great album closer. Yeah, it's really yeah, that's such a good song. Like I said, people a masterpiece, a real masterpiece from just a great band. And I'll finish this and then we'll get to the second album. We'll get to part two of this. Um there's a I just I just ordered it on CD, but I just discovered it and it was it was released in

Hunting Vinyl And Live Foreigner

SPEAKER_00 41:08

2019. I can't believe that this passed me up. You know what? There are so many different compilations in the foreigner catalog. This best of that best of this greatest hits, that greatest hits, this live album, that live album. And there's not a lot of live stuff from the Lou Graham era. Most of the live stuff out there is from Kelly Hanson's era of the band. Um but we grew up on Lou Graham. And Kelly did a fantastic job with his time in the band. He really did. He he represented that material and those songs and paid the proper respect and and did a great job. Um, but we grew up on Lou Graham from day one. We talked about it before, you know. You the first time you heard them was feels like the first time, yeah, and the first time I heard it was cold as ice. So, you know, um speaking of those two songs, there is a live album from the their debut album. It's live at the Rainbow Theater in London from 1978. Wow. They didn't know, they played, I didn't know it either. And I have I I I downloaded it to my music catalog, you know, on my uh my iTunes, but I ordered up the CD. I'll probably get the album too. Who knows? Gotta have that vinyl now. So but with no record player, yeah. But you know what, dude? I listened to it, and that band sounds amazing. I'm gonna play a little bit of it for you when we're done here. They sound amazing. Lou is on fire. They played all 10 tracks from the debut album, and they mixed in, and it's great because Lou says, we're gonna do a new song for you. This one comes off our new album. It's coming out in about six weeks. It's called, and he doesn't say the title, I mean he he says, it's called I'm Hot Blooded. And and they they kill it, they kill it. And then they also they all later on, a few songs down the road, uh, he says, Here's another new one for you. This one's called Double Vision, something like that. You know, oh it's just and I can't believe it for 1978, how great the sound is on it. It is so good and it's so raw. Man, and and and and you guys know if you remember, and if you don't, I'm gonna remind you when Spaz and I ranked our um our uh foreigner songs. Um From 20 to 1. My number two song was I Need You from the debut album. And there's a fantastic guitar solo on there. And Mick Jones does that on this one, but he really extends it out. It's just absolutely dynamite. So good.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

From that 1977 album, I just recently watched a concert they had in Chicago. It's a 2009 concert. Yeah. And it and Mick Jones, which I didn't know this, had leading vocals for three songs on all of the forms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Red Rider, or was it Star Rider? Star Writer was the song that he sang. And it was great. And he had his guitar solo. That was super. I mean, they the band members walked back and let him play. It was just a great song. 1977, mind you.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Yeah, he sang Star Writer and he sang uh Woman O Woman. Yeah, Woman O Woman. Um there's three. Mick sings a little bit on Woman. And he sings a little bit on, they do a trade-off a little bit on Star Writer, but Mick has the lead vocals on those two.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

And that guy can sing, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Yeah, he has a he has a very interesting voice. It's very good. It's not powerful, nothing like Lou Graham, but it's a good voice.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

But on Star Writer, he was. Yeah. He was he was something. Yeah. That's that's that's the first time I heard that song. I've never heard that song. And then when I was watching that show and he came when he came on and announced him, and he was saying, I didn't even know he could sing. Just you know, it was kind of a cool song. Didn't know we could sing.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Do you remember when um when Led Zeppelin did that uh that one off show in 07 at the the what Odean Theater in London or something like that? And Jason Bonham actually played drums because he was, you know, he was in he was in Foreigner. Foreigner opened that show for Led Zeppelin because Jason was gonna play with Led Zeppelin, but Jason was the drummer in Foreigner at that time. Well, it's one of Foreigner's compilation albums. Um what what's the what's the one with the the yellow dubbed double yellow line? Um No End in Sight, I think is this and it's a compilation. It's got yeah, it is, but it's got a couple live tracks from that show, and Star Writer's one of them, and you gotta listen to that. Oh, I'm gonna have to. The bass line on that is heavy, so heavy, and it sounds so good. Sounds so good. But anyway, all right. So that's our take on this great album right here.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

We can talk for more hours of this. So this right now, we're good.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

But we can talk hours on this album. So now, as I said, this album came out July 3rd of 1981. As we're recording this episode, it is July 17th. And on that day, July 17, I'm gonna get all the stuff here. I don't want to drop anything. On July 17th, 1981, this was released.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

There

Journey Escape Turns 45

SPEAKER_01 47:17

you go, right there.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

There you go. There you go. Journey Escape. I'll give the tale the tape, and then we're gonna do like we did. We're gonna you run down the track listing, and we're gonna share our stories and all on all this good stuff right here. So Journey Escape, it's uh what journeys? Let's see, they had three, six. This is their seventh album. This is the seventh album from Journey. This is the fourth to feature Steve Perry, and uh this is the first to feature longtime uh keyboardist and songwriter as well, and some rhythm guitar too, Jonathan Cain. This is a picture of it. This is where he came into the band, okay? And Jonathan Cain, he entered in late 1980 after the uh departure tour had ended. Greg Raleigh decided he was going to leave the band. He actually was very instrumental in hand picking Jonathan Cain as his replacement. Greg wanted to leave the band. He'd already obviously he'd, you know, he'd already been in music since the late 60s, playing, uh, playing in Santana and uh you know, starting Journey up and all that kind of thing. And he wanted to start a family. And um, if you guys know anything about Journey in those, especially those early days, the the the the early Steve Perry days, okay. This is why I'm so mad. I'm so

Rose Bowl Marathon Concert Day

SPEAKER_00 49:00

angry right now. I told Spaz when he came in. I said, dude, I'm so mad. You know, so Journey just it was like record a record and tour forever. Record a record and tour forever. And I'm angry because somewhere in my attic is my journey escape tour guide or tour program from when Spaz and I went to see Journey. Where'd we see him?

SPEAKER_03 49:30

The Rolls Bowl.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

I guess July 2nd, 1982. And who opened that show? You remember?

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Aldo Nova?

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

That was a good start. Yeah. For a long day.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

And we were and and and and Aldo was new on the scene, and we loved Aldo Nova. We we were really into Aldo Nova. Um, so let's see. Uh, then Triumph and then BOC.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Yeah, that's when we had the food bite. Oh my goodness, I don't understand people. I don't understand them. Why are we having a foot bite while we're trying to watch the show? I I never understood that.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

I yeah, and I think it like carried on in between the in between each of the bands. But then about nine o'clock, it was around maybe around nine o'clock was finally when Journey took the stage. Because folks, it things are a lot different now in the touring world. Bands get on and off stage so much faster. The the the crew can strike a stage so much quicker than they did back in the 70s and the 80s. I mean, the bands would end and it'd be like an hour and a half in between each each set, you know, each act. And it was like, holy cow!

SPEAKER_01 50:51

And I remember that day at the Rose Bowl, it was hot that day.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

Not only was it hot, that they had free sitting for those darn tickets. We sat way more than the I know we should have sat closer.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

We yeah, you you're you are you are a hundred percent. Well, I mean, we you know, if you know the Rose Bowl, it's an it's an an oval-shaped uh uh uh stadium. And we sat to if you're facing the stage, we sat to the right side, whereabout it would be maybe around the 50 yard line, the 40 or 50 yard line. And we sat, we sat pretty close to the field, but high enough up to where we could see over everybody. The whole the whole stadium, the whole thing was GA. I think they were like $17 tickets, weren't they? I think so. And I don't know. Sit where you want. Yep. I was I was I myself, I know I was worried about the crowds and all that kind of stuff. I just a dumb kid. But we sat up. I mean, we I guess it was kind of cool because we had seats. At least we had seats. We didn't have to sit on the grass or anything like that, especially because that was a long day.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

I think hard hard stadium scene isn't exactly a great scene, but it's better than being on the grass all day.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Yeah, and it's better than getting tossed up in a blanket when somebody somebody broke their leg. Yeah, that that's ingenious. Remember, they kept tired, they they had the you know, bit their big blankets and they were using them to throw people up. And it was generally girls that they were throwing up in the air, and then uh one time it was like oops, and they threw this girl high. I mean, they were going up like 10, 12 feet in the air, and uh yeah, oopsie, and she landed on the on the ground and uh broke her leg. And that it was between one of the between bands, though, so at least it didn't interrupt anything going on. Oh yeah, that was something. But um, so this is Journey's seventh album, as I said, first with Jonathan Kane, number four with Steve Perry, and Journey was on an upward trajectory at this time with the entrance of Steve Perry into the band. And you know, with each album, uh they charted higher and higher, and they had they started headlining. I think they started headlining on the evolution tour, is when they started headlining, you know, big shows, big arena shows. Um, but I remember I'm so mad because like I said, I bought a tour program and I wanted it for this episode. I wanted to show you guys the program. It's in my attic somewhere. I have a box here, the front of the studio that says concert programs on there. And I when I was I thought, oh, here it is, gold, I found it. It's full of kiss programs. So um, but in there it talked about all the touring that Journey did. You know, we're talking 220, 230 dates, you know, over the course of a year. That's just a lot of shows. That is a lot of shows.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

It's just like playing almost every day of strike.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Yeah. You know, there's a um you and I we talked about it. Um and I I've done some looking, and I, you know, there's obviously the the live escape tour from Houston, 1981.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

1991.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

No, no, no, it was 1981. In Houston? Yeah, in Houston.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Okay, go on.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Yeah, you sure? Well, yeah, it was the escape tour. But so on. But so there's that.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:35

But you and I, we were like, is there anything out there from our show?

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

And there isn't.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

No.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

But Journey, they they only did because the band was wore out after after the full the the I don't want to say the front half of the escape tour, but there was there was a big long tour for for this album. And um once it wrapped up, the band started working on the Frontiers album, the follow-up to this. But then Herbie Herbert, their manager, pulled them out of the studio and he booked a bunch of stadium shows. Now the band said, yeah, we don't think so. Um we're kind of wore out, but they but then Herbie got Bill Graham involved, who was instrumental in journeying and had been for many years, and he talked the boys into doing it, but they cut back most of the shows. Um, I think they only did maybe two or three stadium dates. But the one that is out there, I don't know if there's video for it or if it's just audio, but it's the one from Oakland, the Oakland Alameda Coliseum, a week before this, the one that we saw at the Rose Bowl. I think it's June 26th or something like that. Yeah. So I haven't I haven't checked it out to see if it's video or just audio, but I want to because I want to hear how it sounds. Because folks, the show that we saw supporting this album was give me one word to describe it. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Awesome's awesome. That's the only word I have.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yeah, awesome's a great word. Awesome is a great word. Um, but you know, the so the tail of the tape on this album, okay. The tail of the tape is 10 tracks. The running time is 42 minutes and 51 seconds, and it was produced by Mike Stone, who was uh who engineered, I think engineered some of Queen's stuff. I think I know Roy Thomas Baker, who had produced a couple of records for Journey early on, uh was also a producer for Queen. But I think Mike Stone worked with Queen also, but also Kevin Elson. And um the production on this is it's great. Yeah, it's great. And um to describe this album, well, I'll say this first, like I did with Foreigner 4, biggest selling album in the catalog. This here is Journey's biggest studio album in their catalog. It's the biggest selling studio album in their catalog. It's certified diamond. Uh, it was certified diamond years ago, uh, many years ago. So I'm sure it's probably you know in upwards of maybe 12 million, maybe even more than that, uh, if they were to certify it again. Uh if you guys don't know, the biggest selling album in the journey catalog is Greatest Hits, the very first one that was released in 1988. That's in upwards of like 19 million copies.

SPEAKER_03 57:56

So well, that wasn't I mean, Greatest Hits.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Every song was a great yeah. It was it that's a great compilation right there, too. Great compilation. And people, I think, in 1988 were really hungry for Journey because you know, they had Raised on Radio, they did the tour, and then they were gone. There was nothing.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

Poof.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Silence. So anyway, uh with this here, this album, I would call this album a masterpiece. I would call this album a masterpiece.

SPEAKER_03 58:29

I I I would agree.

SPEAKER_00 58:31

You know, um it's it's just absolutely fantastic. And like I was started to say earlier, where Journey was on an upward trajectory once Steve Perry joined the band, or when Jonathan Kane came in to take over for Greg Raleigh, the band went to the next level. Um you and I we've talked about this before, and and with the with the first three Steve Perry albums, um, I think we talked about it when we were ranking the albums. And you know, Greg, Greg Raleigh was a fantastic songwriter, great with the the uh fantastic musician. Nothing wrong, Greg, great singer too. Yeah, all of it. Um yeah, he was a total package. But he had to learn his craft. Um, he actually had to buckle down once Steve Perry, um what once the band was told they were getting a lead singer. Greg had to buckle down. Everybody in the band went and got singing lessons to really hone in their craft and all that kind of stuff. Um, and then Greg changed the way he wrote songs as well, you know, because they knew they were gonna be a little more radio friendly, less jammy, that kind of stuff, like they were early. Yeah, something that was gonna be more accessible to uh a larger audience. But the secret sauce to me on those three albums was Steve Perry, Neil Sean. When you look at the songs that those guys co-wrote, those were like the biggest songs on the albums. And then now you have that right there, and you mix in this guy from Chicago who comes in from the babies, Jonathan King, and it just blows up. It

Escape Side One Track Breakdown

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

just blows up.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

So uh let's run down the tracks. How does this how does this album open when I drop the needle on it? Don't stop believing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

The most popular song in the world that's played on every radio station.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

One of it fights a couple other songs, but one of the most downloaded songs in music history. Don't stop believing. Um great song. I have said this in the past that for me it suffers from a little bit of burnout because it's been wore out so many times. You know, it's just been overplayed and overplayed and overplayed. Sporting events, movies, television shows, anywhere and everywhere. Uh what sucks is rock radio has just destroyed this song as well. Um but but it wasn't even the biggest song on the album. It wasn't the biggest hit on the album. It was the second single released, and it only reached, I think it only reached number nine on the on the on the billboard top 40. So anyway, but but that doesn't that doesn't take away from the song. It's a fantastic song, and it is somewhat of like an anthem. Everybody knows the song. Everybody does.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

All my kids know the song, and everybody knows that song.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

People karaoke the song left and right, they butcher it, but well, look, if you're gonna try to try to sing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

Not everybody's Steve Perry, because only one Steve Perry.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Exactly. If you're gonna try to sing anything like Steve Perry, forget it. Yeah, okay. Forget just just forget about it, okay? Um, like they say, don't quit your day job. Because you will go hungry. All right. So uh what's the what's the second track on this one?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

Stone in Love. Well, that's a good song. That's a really good, catchy song with the guitar working that song. Very catchy.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

I love that song. That that became like uh that that kind of became a rock radio staple, you know. Uh it uh it it wasn't a single released from the album, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

Um playing it awful, an awful lot on serious radio.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Yeah, they are playing it like crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

Yeah, they do I hear it once a day, it seems.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:58

Yeah, you'll probably hear it on Classic Rewind two, three times a day. But what an absolutely killer song. I love the harmonies in the song, yeah. Um, and there's a great guitar solo in it. Yeah, Neil just tears it up, and the man from Santana, yeah. You know what though, I think there was a there uh because there was that live concert from the the Escape Tour, I think there's a video for this song, and if I remember correctly, because Jonathan Kane not only plays keys, but he does play some rhythm guitar as well. And and when they play this song, Jonathan jumps down off the keys and he starts it, it's it's after the second chorus when it starts to mellow out and go into the piano, Steve Perry, not Smith, Steve Perry, jumps up at on the piano and starts playing the piano part throughout the rest of the song. And Jonathan jumps down on stage and gets into a little guitar work with with Neil. And I think that is so cool. I love it when like bands do that kind of stuff. They trade off. This guy plays this, this guy plays that, whatever. I love that stuff. All right, I'm talking way too much. You're doing well. Ah, but you're doing well. Come on, you're the guest. Anyway, so what's what's track number three? My favorite. Who's crying now?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Most of these people are out there crying now. That's what it is. You're probably going, man, I'm tired.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

And that that one was the first single released on the album, Who's Crying Now? That was the first single released. Um, that man, that thing just played all summer long. I just I think about that summer of 81 and just hearing that song over and over, and it's such a good song.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

It's the end the ending with Neil Sean taking off on that. That's that's just a brutal, brutal guitar work on that song.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

I I've I've said this before um that you know my my my two favorite uh guitarists are Neil Sean and uh Steve Lucather, my two favorites. And I think a lot of the reason is is because they don't play one more note than what needs to be played in their solos. Their solos are the exact number of notes they need to be. It's not gratuitous, it's not for show. Um, obviously, in in a live setting, there's gonna be a lot of times guitar works or not guitar works, uh, guitar solos or extended guitar solos, and that's a little bit different, but That guitar solo at the end of the song sounds so simplistic, and yet it is so absolutely perfect, and it is just fabulous.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Especially live. Yeah. When you do that song live, wow. Just keep going, keep going, keep going. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

But it is. It it kind of that that solo there at the end kind of has the feeling like it could just keep going and going and going.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:31

Until you stop until you stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

Until like everyone just finally just leaves or goes to sleep or whatever, but he just keeps right. Ah, and I love that about that solo. Yeah. Yeah. So good. All right. Talk to me, goose. Tell me what else. Keep on running. I love that song. Oh, yes. Oh, no, no. The ending, the ending, the ending song. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ah, so good. And and this one, now, now when we when we saw these guys live uh at the Rose Bowl, because this is the only time we saw them on the escape tour. Yeah. Um, that song has no keyboards in it. So it's got Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean. You know, Jonathan takes on the rhythm, and Neil obviously covers the lead, and those guys go to town in the in the in the the middle of that song. Those guys really just go to town. And when we saw them, obviously they did, but they played nine songs off of this album. Do you remember the only song they didn't play live off of this album? And it's one that's rarely been played live.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

Man, I couldn't tell you because all these songs are pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

It was funny. At the end of the show, at the end of the show, I still remember. We okay, we were counting, excuse me. We were counting. Okay, they played this one, they played this one, they played this one. And we were counting, we were naming off all the songs that we said, but they didn't play this one. So I'll wait till I'll wait till we get to it. But they played nine songs off of this album, amongst all the other favorites. And the new track leading into the release of uh Escape was uh The Party's Over, Hopelessly in Love. That was the the lone studio song off of the captured album. And I don't know what the reasoning was that. Maybe they just wanted to go in and play this song and then just not release it as a single, so they put it on the back end of the uh studio album. I don't know, but it's that's absolutely just it captured a live album, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:45

That was the only song that was studio on that album.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

Yes, yes, 100%. And and and that that one that one song, uh Party's Over. God, that's such a great song. Um, anyway, so keep on running. They just tear that song up. I you know, sometimes I forget how good that song is. And when we ranked our studio albums, I remember clearly this was your number one, obviously. And and I knew it was gonna be. It was my number four. And if I had to go back and rank those again, it would not be number four. It still wouldn't be, I still don't think it would be number one. Frontiers is still gonna be my number one, but this definitely might bump departure out of the number two spot. Yeah, and for you, and for you, Departure, that's the one that we agreed on. Departure was number two for us. Yeah, yeah. That's a good album. That's hard to dismiss. That is a fantastic album. It really is. And I I never realized it. You just until you sit down and you start looking at this stuff, you know, and you just don't, and you're like, oh, okay, yeah, I get it now. But uh, all right, so how does how does uh how does side one close out?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:07

Still they ride. That's a slow melody song.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

It's not a bad song. Kind of a bluesy, uh slower song, yeah. Uh great song. It was the fourth single released off the album. At the time we saw them at the Rose Bowl. Um Still They Ride was still on the in the top 40. And it it peaked at like number 19, but it was in the top 40 at the time we saw them. So so that is that is uh I and I've talked about this a lot, but for everyone listening and and and watching, that is the way music was back then. I call it staying power. And this album is released on July 17th, 1981, and on July 3rd, 19 or July 2nd, because that's when we saw them, on July 2nd, 1982, the fourth single is still on the charts. So uh a year later, they're still releasing songs, and songs are still charting off of this album. That's just amazing, yeah. So uh that's how this particular album just connected with everyone, it didn't matter. It it it um the the there's enough hard driving rock on this album, and then you have not just ballads, but you have some softer stuff. I mean, I wouldn't consider still they write a ballad, you know, but but it is a softer song. Uh still some great guitar work from Neil on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:53

Um but I don't think you had a bad song at all on that album.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

I don't think so either. I don't think so either. I don't think there's one bad track on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:02

All right, so now now we we've we've completed

Escape Side Two And Lay It Down

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

side one. So we're turning the album over, we're dropping the needle, and what do we hear to kick our side two or oh the title track, yeah. And I think that's a good rock. That's a good rock. I think that's what they opened up with. Yeah, they opened up with it with the title track to this album when we saw them. That's how it opened up, yeah. Remember coming out with the screens and everything on each side of the stage? Oh man, it was so good. And that was a kick-ass fireworks show at the end. Yeah, wasn't it? Wow, yeah. That was a nice fireworks show at the end. But but the title track Escape, fantastic song. Um here's the thing about Journey. Certainly during the Steve Perry era, you had the first album, Infinity, the second album, Evolution, the third album, Departure, the fourth album, Captured. See where I'm going with this? The fifth album, the the fifth album, Escape. Okay, and then the follow-up to this one, Frontiers. All one-word titles. All one-word titles. I just thought that was I always thought that was so cool. And uh just a little bit of trivia here. The follow-up to Frontiers raised on radio, the initial title for that album was supposed to be Freedom. But Steve Perry had this love of, he wanted to express his love for radio and and and the the the cover of that album with the the old school radio station, it's actually in a radio station, and it was at the time anyway, was actually uh uh depiction of a of an actual radio station in uh northern or central California, something like that. But um, so that was the first time in five albums they didn't have a single-word uh album title, and then of course Trial by Fire, and then they got back to the one-word titles again, and they saved up freedom for their latest release, which came out what five years ago or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:22

Well, the very last album.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:23

Yeah. So uh yeah, just a little trivia anyway. Just a little bet you didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

How's that?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

Yeah, so escape, just great song, and and you know what? And it does make for a great opener to a live to a live show. It really does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good, good, good. Um, what's track number two, Mister?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:51

Play it down.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:53

Oh was that the song they didn't they didn't play? That is the one I figured. That is, that's the one song they didn't play, and that one's my favorite off of the album. That is my favorite song off the album. I think it's that one they're never charted, right? No, it wasn't a single, wasn't, you know, and I don't I've never heard the song played on radio. I've only ever heard whenever I put on put on uh uh uh the escape album. Um but it's uh it's it's a heavy song. Love all the guitar work in it. The guitar is blazing. Neil's doing a blazing job on guitar, and this is some of Steve Perry's You know, it's so funny, not funny ha ha, just kind of funny odd. That I I say stuff about Steve Perry. Oh no, this is his greatest vocal performance, blah, blah, blah. And then I go hear another song and I'm going, wow, I don't know, that one's pretty good too. And then I'll hear, wow, that one's pretty good over there.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:00

I don't think he had a bad song either. Him and him and the Oshan never had a bad song.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:05

He just screwed just out of the atmosphere on this one, you know. Um, with the uh just yeah, he's just out of his head. This is probably why they never sang it live, because he just I mean, just screams out of his head on this one. Um yeah, so good. So good, so good. All right, man. If you guys don't know that song, if you are just a casual journey fan or you're not as familiar with with the escape album, just go listen to that song alone. Lay it down. I mean, my goodness. Ugh. Yeah, we're gonna have to listen to that one too after we listen to a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of it. All right, so what what what's our third track after Lay It Down?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:02

What's Dead or Alive?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:03

Uh now that one there, I would say that is Journey's version of Thrash Metal.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:13

Well, I'll get to the car. The guitar work starts at the beginning of the song and it just keeps going.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:18

Yeah, it's a but it's a very fast song, you know? And uh yeah, that it's not thrash by any measure, but it's Journey's version of thrash. And it's really good. Yeah, really good. Um yeah, oh dead, dead or alive. Oh no, blood for money, money, you're missing all the guitar work that goes all the way now.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:46

Homicide. But the guitar work that goes with that's an amazing song.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:51

Yeah, yeah, it is, it really is. It really is. And if you're gonna put uh if you're gonna go ahead and listen to a little lay it down, we'll just let it play, just let Dead or Alive play afterwards. Yeah. What but it's only one more song. Why?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:05

Why not? Just play all 10 and you'll enjoy the whole album. You actually will. You actually will.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

You'll be you will be thanking Spaz for that. Oh, I had nothing to do with that. Yeah, you go, man, I paid a lot of money, Matthew. Thanks for making that suggestion, Spaz. Yeah. So uh, what do we have on track four on side two? Mother, father.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

That's a slow, slow um yeah, yeah, body song.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:31

It's so great. Another absolutely fantastic vocal performance from Steve Perry. Every song he sings is every song is just gold on top of gold, on top of gold, and then on top of some more gold. Um, but uh a very like melancholy song, though, because it's you know it's about a broken home and and uh you know, just uh it will tear at your heartstrings, it really will just tug at them. Oh man. But um a great song, yeah, yeah, definitely a great song. And to hear to hear him sing that song live, who man. Well, I think Dean Casanova does a good job on that song too. Dean does a fine job when he uh is um when he has to when he yeah, when he's yeah, when he's tasked with with having to sing and play drums at the same time. Yeah, no, Dean has a fantastic voice. Um absolutely. And you know what? Ah, another bet you didn't know, people. Dean Castro Novo and I have the same birthday, ha ha. A month from now. So is her son. Oh, born to be Mr.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:56

Filmer. Oh man. But uh yeah, mother, father, hey, mother, father, sister.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:07

Do I look at this? Come back. I'm trying, believing, oh hey. Ah, it's so good. And I'm not doing it any justice at all. Yeah. Um, yeah, so good. All right, and if you guys don't know, Spozz is gonna tell us what closes this album. Everybody's favorite song, Open Arms. Open Arms, Open Arms, the second single. No, yes, the second single released off of the album, no, the third, I'm sorry, the third, third single released off of the album, Don't Stop Believing was the second. Uh, but the third single, and at that time, Journey's biggest song, chart-wise, because it reached number two on the uh Billboard uh top 40. I think it stayed at number two for like three or four weeks, something like that. And uh so so Open Arms, biggest single off of the album, don't stop believing, biggest song in the world, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:16

Go finish.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy, crazy, but uh uh just uh and and I know you know this, but in case you guys don't know, open arms, where yes, Steve Perry gets a co-write on that song. That song was brought into the band by Jonathan Kane during his time in the babies. He wrote that song and presented it to John Waite. And John Waite said, That's a bunch of rubbish, get it out of here. We're not doing that song. And so there you go. So his loss. Yeah, definitely, definitely his loss, um, and Journey's gain, you know, fantastic song. Uh, I think it was funny. Neil was a little bit uh apprehensive about wanting to do it. He was the code, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:08

Well, he was like, he was like, Well, what am I supposed to do here? You know, and he ended up playing guitar anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:13

Yeah, he's like, Where does the guitar fit into this song here? You know, but but he he figured it out, he made it work, and it belongs, it belongs there.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

To their credit, that's one of the better songs on your album.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:29

Well, like I said, Neil never plays one note more than is called for, and it fit right right in. It's it's it's it's perfect. It's perfect. It's uh it's uh a great way to close out an absolutely fantastic masterpiece.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:49

Beginning to end with beginning to end, you know. That's all it was. If you listen to that album begin, Dan, starts great, dance great. It does.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:58

It does. Here, here's here's here's what I wanted to show you. This is cool. So so I bought this album because I didn't have it on album, have it on CD, had it on cassette. I I don't I don't recall if I ever had it on album. I don't remember, maybe no, I don't think I did. I don't think I ever did. So the the album cover is in pristine shape. I mean, it it looks like I just took the cellophane off of it, you know. Um, and then I there's the sleeve. That's got a picture of the band right there on the back side.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:34

I like that the way it's turned out.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

Yeah, and then here you've got the band, each member of the band, and you've got all the song lyrics and stuff. So that's really, really cool. This, I didn't even show Spaz this before he got here. I said, No, I'm saving it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:50

Look at that. Oh, that is nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:52

Look at that one clear vinyl.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

Yes, I love it. I have never seen that.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

I love it. And and again, the label, the label has got all the same coloring and and and it fits right in with the album cover itself because it's got kind of got the explosion of the um I always call it the Beatle, it's a scarab, but whatever, coming through, busting out and escaping. So yeah, I love that. I cannot wait to play this.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:23

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:24

What another 10 years when you finally get your player. Good luck with that. Let me know when you get it. I'll come on over and listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

You know you're coming over. Well, I'm just saying. You know you're coming over.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:33

I expect to be 10 more years of life.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:36

Oh, shut up before you buy your before you buy your return table. Okay, we are in July now. I can guarantee you before the end of the year, there will be a stereo on that wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:48

You heard this, you heard

Collectible Tees And Lost Laundry

SPEAKER_03 1:24:50

this first, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:51

Yeah. We'll see about that. So actually, you know what? No, we're gonna put that cover right back up there. I I think that is an absolute dynamite album cover right there with the scare busting through. Um, it's funny, in preparation for this episode, a month ago, Spaz and I were texting back and forth, and I'm sending him pictures of t-shirts. See, I bought I bought a t-shirt just specifically for today's episode because it's got the escape album cover on because we also I don't did you buy a program at at that show? No, okay. I bought a program and I bought a t-shirt, and we both bought t-shirts, and they were exactly the same. They had like maroon three-quarter sleeves, because that was the style for concert tees back then. They were the three-quarter sleeve shirts. Um, and and then it was a gray, you know, gray body on the shirt, and it had um it had a picture of the scarab, kind of like it was landing. Yeah, right? It wasn't the album cover itself, it wasn't busting through, it was like landing. Yeah, kind of wait, hang on a second. Hold on a second. Wait, I got well, not exactly, but similar, similar to this. This is time three. This is the box set. Okay, but similar, sort of similar to that. Um but we bought the t-shirts, and I don't know what happened to yours, but I know what happened to mine. And so I was so upset about it. What those run by 25 bucks? 20 bucks? No, I think no, we paid 10 bucks for our foreigner t-shirts. I remember that. Yeah, and I think the program was the uh I foreigner. We only bought t-shirts, we didn't buy programs, but I think at the journey show, I think the program was about the same as the t-shirt, 10 bucks. Um, I think that's why I was able to get both. And um I'll find the pro. When I find the program, we it doesn't even have to be a journey episode. I'm gonna show you guys the program. But but um, and we wore those t-shirts like crazy, um, awesome t-shirts. And I still remember it was uh a few years later in 1985. People, I'm a single guy living with three roommates, three friends. So I remember that. Spaz was not one of them, but he should have been because he was at the house all the time anyway. Um and and so um I would go out and do my own laundry, you know, we go to the laundromat and do our laundry, and um the the laundromat would have carts on wheels and push it around, and it would have a big rack over the big giant cart or basket. And it had a rack where when you got done like drying your clothes, you could hang them up on this rack, and then you could wheel it all.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

That's what it's for.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

Yeah, wheel it all out to your car and put your stuff away. Well, I that's right, we'll pick it up later. I uh I had three t-shirts and a poncho that I left on the rack because I didn't throw the shirts in the dryer. I hung them up over the thing to let them drinking. Yeah, yeah. And the three t-shirts I had had hanging up, all three quarter sleeve concert tees, was my Journey Escape t-shirt, my Lover Boy Keep It Up Tour t-shirt from 1983, and my foreigner Agent Provocator t-shirt.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:44

Oh god. So I stole them? Bummer.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:47

Well, I I I was I had already gotten home. I didn't even realize it for like a couple of days that I left them there. But I was looking for them and gone. I was so bummed out. So, so bummed out. But it's funny when Spaz and I were I I sent him pictures of t-shirt. Hey, let's get these t-shirts, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I sent him a picture. I think I think I sent you a picture of one. I found an actual t-shirt from from the escape tour, the same t-shirt that him and I had. And somebody wanted like 500 bucks for it. I told him to keep it. Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know. This this show doesn't make any money. We don't, we have no budget. So uh yeah, no, this uh just like just just great stuff and great memories. Um yeah, just from our like all-time favorite band.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:48

Yeah, it was fun. Because you don't realize how much fun it is until we talk about it 40 years later.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:54

Yeah, absolutely.

Why These Albums Still Matter

SPEAKER_00 1:29:55

You know, that's but that's what this is all about. That's what music is. That's it, that's what music means to me. It just it's uh it it it just you know, hear a song, hear your band, whatever it is, and it just takes you on a trip. And um, you know, one one memory after another, one song after another, and and uh I just I I love that stuff. I guess I I guess for me, I want to hold on to my childhood, you know, my those, those, those adolescent, yeah. I mean, even before the adolescents, you know, just early childhood and all that. I just want to hang on to all that. And that's what that's what all this music that we listen to, that you and I just love so much, that um that's that's what it does for me, and that's why I dig it so much. Um, you know, the kids have said many, many times, oh man, dad, you're stuck in the 80s. Well, you know, whatever. It's fine. I'm good with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:02

Um all my kids are stuck in the 80s, they all love the stuff I love, but that's because we raised we raised our kids on this music.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:08

Yeah, we did. We ra on all the music we grew up listening to, that's what we made them listen to it. Absolutely. Absolutely, made them listen to it. And there are times now I have in the past there where I've had I've had Erin, my daughter, I've had her send me a video or just call me on the phone where they're the her and the grandkids, they're out driving, and don't stop believing comes on, and they'll like I said, they send me a video, they're all singing the song while they're driving, and they send it to me because don't stop believing makes them think of me. That's cool, you know. Just so where I have a certain memory of that song or these songs, they have a memory of that song. They hear don't stop believing, and they have a memory of it. They it makes them think of something, and that's what that's what this stuff is supposed to do, man. You know, uh it's uh I'm so glad you came over. I really am.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:18

You know, my kids are taking you to the last journey concert, they're gonna take me down to the forum in September. They told me yesterday or the day before yesterday. You're gonna go. You know, I'm gonna go with my daughters. They're the ones that bought the tickets. Isn't that amazing or not? That's amazing. I go, wow, they would do something like that. I go, take take a friend, he'll need to take me. I've been to a thousand journey concerts, I don't need to go to one more. Yeah, but now they're insistent, and now I have to go boo. Looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:46

Especially with your kids, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:49

Because you took them to journey shows, and now they're gonna take you.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

Yeah, especially the Burst Jack show where they had to sit on top of all the shoulders and they're all smoking weed. But hey, that was the only way at that time they can go.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:05

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I mean that was a good show, too. The unfortunate part about all of it, if there's one unfortunate part, is that you and I uh didn't see more shows with Steve Perry. Um that's the unfortunate part. Is I did not see the Frontiers Tour. Did you see the Frontiers Tour? Okay. So now I saw Raised on Radio. Did you see Raised on Radio? Okay. So this is so this show at the at the Rose Bowl is the only time you saw them with Steve Perry.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:41

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:42

Wow. And I've only seen them twice with Steve Perry. And I saw Steve Perry on his solo tour, that was in '94, but I I only saw him the two times. I I don't recall why I didn't or we didn't go see Journey. That was our they were in the area, they came to the forum during our senior year high school. I don't know why it didn't happen. I'm not sure. Maybe we thought that we had another chance. I don't recall. I do not recall, but uh yeah, but what an absolute fantastic band, an absolute an absolute fantastic record. Um proven by the uh sales numbers, that's for sure. Um yeah, so let's just close it out because we got a couple of songs we have to listen to. We got a couple of things we have to hear. Um, yeah, just thanks for you know hanging around with us and sticking it out. Um, I hope you enjoyed I I I wish he would get in here and start talking a little bit more. You know, I think it's not my show. It doesn't matter. You're still my guest, and you're my friend. But but um yeah, yeah, I just hope you guys enjoyed it. Um if you're look, if you're unfamiliar with either of these albums, either of these just you learned something today, if anything. Yeah, one, you did learn something, and two, I hope it inspires you to go and listen to these records front to back, song one to song ten.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:22

Don't skip a song, hold on, especially for you young people out there who don't even know what these guys are.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:28

Absolutely, somebody you know may not know. Yeah, these two records right here, dynamite, and the the the cool part is they were both released in the same month in the same year, and they had such staying power on the chart. And uh, I mean, a year after they were released, songs are still on the radio. So that that's you know, that's some some some proof right there that these are fantastic records. So anyway, I certainly appreciate it. I wholly appreciate you being here, dude. You're thanks for the invite. Absolutely. Uh look, I don't want to talk about this stuff with with uh the when it comes to talking this stuff here, uh you're the guy that you know comes to mind. I want to have this, I want to have these discussions and conversations with you because as long as your audience is not too bored, we're good. Yeah, because we have we we have so many shared experiences regarding these two bands together over the 50 years that we've been friends, you know. And uh yeah, just you know, you can't you can't buy that stuff, people. You just can't. You can only buy the music, you can't buy the stuff that we have right here. So anyway, uh

Final Thanks And Subscribe

SPEAKER_00 1:36:50

we'll let you guys go. Thank you so much for being here. As you know, this program is available wherever you get your podcasts. Uh, and it's right here on YouTube as well. So just search the Ben Maynor program and subscribe. Please subscribe. Uh go ahead. You got something you want to throw in there?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:09

Leave a comment. Oh, yeah, you can do that. Ben will answer his comments on his next show.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:15

I I do, I answer the comments. You guys know I reply to them. Um, uh, but then next, you guys follow me on uh my socials, uh Instagram. It is uh simply Ben Maynard program, all one word. Or where I am certainly more active, that is on the TikTok, and it is at the Ben Maynard program. So uh again, thank you so much. Thanks for you know sticking around and helping us having some fun celebrating these two great records. Um see you guys next time. This is the Ben Maynard program. Tell a friend.